Buckle your seatbelts, we're taking the time machine to 1995 to look at a Wonder-Nine

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Gather around children. Today we're going back to the far off year of 1995. Yup, we're going to talk about the transition to the Wonder-Nine for the civilian market. Let's get the time machine going. Okay, everyone is strapped and ready to go? Because where we're going. Accessory Rails and RMR Optics didn't exist yet.

HOLD ON! HERE WE GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

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Woah dudes! We're back in 1995 and I swear, color existed. But Shotgun News wasn't and neither was some of the other gun publications. So you just have to imagine what color looked like. Anyways, today we're looking at some quality guns and the what led to the transition to the higher capacity Wonder-Nine.

First up is the Smith & Wesson Model 15 Combat Masterpiece.

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The classic "K" Frame .38 S&W Special duty revolver. One variant or another of this wheel gun rode in the police holster for close to most of the 20th Century. A six shot, adjustable sight, double/single action gun. The quality that S&W put into these guns was fantastic. They were smooth shooting and capable for the era. The .38 S&W Special cartridge was and still is nothing to sneeze at. The 125gr SJHP +P load was a capable self defense round and Metro Dade PD put it to good use. How do I know? That's what my Father used back when he was a uniform patrolman for Metro Dade PD.

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With HKS Speed Loaders, the gun was capable for most police shootings.

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But there was another classic riding in cop holsters back then too.

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That's right, the ever classic slabside .45; the 1911 semiauto pistol. Yes, the 1911 did ride in police holsters back in the day and it was hugely popular in shooting public due to its history in the military.

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The 1911 served a three quarters of a century as the duty pistol of the US Armed Forces it was a handgun well respected in police work due to its proven track record as a "man-stopper" with the 230gr FMJ. Originally shipped from Colt with a 7rd magazine and later updated to 8rd mags. The single action only 1911 was good with round ball. But back then, it was standard to purchase a 1911 and then send it to a gunsmith to get it to feed anything other than FMJ ammunition. But cops that could carry a 1911 did. They wanted the added firepower and quicker reload capabilities that a gunfighter got in a semi-automatic. Colt fixed some of the issues and released the Series 80 1991A1. The gun had no problem feeding the hollow points of the era and as a Series 80 design, it had a firing pin block that made it drop safe.

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But by the 1980s, the two guns above were starting to show their age and cops wanted some more firepower to fight the heavily armed criminals. And guess who answered that call? Beretta with the Model 92FS is who.

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The Wonder-Nine that replaced the slabside for the military and the trusted wheel gun for police.

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Fifteen rounds of 9x19mm made NATO happy along with a good amount of cops on the streets. As a double action/single action design. The 92FS is honestly the classic Wonder-Nine. While there were plenty of other automatics that stepped up to the place, the sexy Italian 92FS is the gun just about everyone thinks about when it comes to what a Wonder-Nine. The trigger pull is smooth and crisp and the slide feels like it glides on greased mirror polished ball bearings.

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In 1995, you couldn't go wrong with a 92FS. Pre-Ban 15rd magazines were widely available and loading them with 124gr JHP from Federal Hydra Shok wasn't a bad choice either in ammunition. The 92FS was at the height of its popularity. In service with the US Armed Forces and agencies like the LAPD and FHP. The gun developed a hell of a reputation as a proven and capable gunfighter's gun. It was comfortable to carry, easy to maintain, and accurate. And as mentioned, the trigger and excellent for a DA/SA gun. Plus it helped that Hollywood made it a star in films like Die Hard and Lethal Weapon.

Why the switch? Because criminals were up-arming and the military needed to standardize with NATO. Honestly, with the advancement of hollow point ammunition (considered privative by today's standards) back then. Police had a better gun. Higher capacity, less recoil, and a capable round that could put someone down. The military had similar changes too except for the putting someone down since they used 9mm FMJ ammo. But that's a whole other issue. The 1911s were ridden hard and put away wet. The last major purchase of 1911s for the military was in 1945. So the youngest 1911 in military service was forty years old when the 92FS replaced it. And as many know. The shooting public took notice and many went with the same choice.

You wouldn't be unarmed with a S&W Model 15 or a Colt 1911 in 1995, the Beretta 92FS was the best option at the time. You simply couldn't go wrong.

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It was good choice then and now.

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So grab your Eagle Industries Fanny Pack, load up your 92FS, wear your Ray Bans, and listen to some 2 Live Crew as you cruise the strip looking for some gals to party with.

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Why do that? Because we ran out of gas and the time machine needs 93 Octane and the gas station at the corner only has regular 87 and I can't use Apple Pay. Does anyone have $20?
 
The S&W 59 was probably the most common Wonder Nine in use by LE agencies after adoption started in 1970s (at least until Glock appeared). Its single stack predecessor the Model 39 was adopted by LE back in the 60's.

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It was as was the Model 39. But a number of agencies never went with the S&W 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Gens.

You had the FL Highway Patrol for example jump straight from the Wheel Gun like the Colt Python to the Beretta 92FS. The LAPD went from the S&W Model 14 and Model 64 to the 92FS too. City of Miami went from the S&W K-Frame to the GLOCK 17.

Beretta made huge inroads in the 1980s and early 1990s into the LE market. Heck, they scored some major Federal LE contracts too. USBP, US Customs, and INS all jumped onto the Beretta 96D as their duty guns when they ditched the revolver. They skipped the 9mm.

Sure, the Illinois State Police were the first to adopt the Model 39 in the mid 60s and that was revolutionary and the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department followed in the 70s with Model 59 and the FBI went with the Model 459 and 659.

But for the most part, not everyone did the jump that early. I still remember Miami Dade cops carrying Model 64s up to the early 00s. And NYPD stuck with 115gr FMJ 9mm up until the mid 90s.
 
I carried a S&W 5906 starting in April, 1991. WCPD carried H&K P-13’s. The next 9mm I carried on duty (in early 1993) was a SIGSauer P-226.

Plenty of wonder nines in the 1990’s ;).

Stay safe..
 
Beretta 51? Helwan? Browning high power? 1995 is late to the party for the wonder nine. S&W automatics were popular, but there were already cheap junky options like a stallard Or Jennings 9. Yes mid nineties is when the craze hit, and that supposedly followed thusage I’d the 92fs
 
This was my dad's duty weapon in the mid-90's as a police Lieutenant. The 1911 is mine.

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And this was his previous duty weapon starting in `76 or so and lasting until he got the S&W auto...

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My Old Man started in '75 with a wheel gun, a S&W Model 10 as a patrolman with the then Dade County Public Safety Department (later becoming Metro Dade Police and now known as Miami-Dade Police). He then became a Homicide Detective and went from the Model 10 to a Snubnose Model 64. In 1980 he left them and became a Special Agent. Carried a 3" Model 13 and soon went with a Beretta 92SB.

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(He's on the right)

Around '86, he became on of the first in FL to carry a GLOCK. He's been a GLOCK gun since he retired.

My entire career has been GLOCK in one form or another over the decade and half.
 
Beretta 51? Helwan? Browning high power? 1995 is late to the party for the wonder nine. S&W automatics were popular, but there were already cheap junky options like a stallard Or Jennings 9. Yes mid nineties is when the craze hit, and that supposedly followed thusage I’d the 92fs
"Wonder-Nines" usually refers to high capacity (i.e., more than eight), double action (DAO, DA/SA, or trigger-cocking striker*), 9mm pistol.

The B 51, HP, and JA-9 are generally not "wonder-nines" as they lack one or both the characteristic features.

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* e.g., H&K's VP-70, or a Glock
 
"Wonder-Nines" usually refers to high capacity (i.e., more than eight), double action (DAO, DA/SA, or trigger-cocking striker*), 9mm pistol.

The B 51, HP, and JA-9 are generally not "wonder-nines" as they lack one or both the characteristic features.

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* e.g., H&K's VP-70, or a Glock
There are plenty others that do though. My point was that the “wonder nine” movement was not an abrupt shift. It did gain a lot of traction in a lot of police departments in that time frame, but duty pistols had been around for a long while at that point. If the 92 is lumped in then the B51 is as well as there really isn’t much changed in design, especially if you look at early model heel release 92s. The thing that is often overlooked about the “wonder nine” movement is the shift to lightweight frames. The 92 has an aluminum alloy frame. The Glock was coming to market with a polymer frame, not to mention the shield and various other glock copies shortly afterwards.

It’s somewhat surprising that the weight on the belt issue is so often overlooked in the discussions on duty weapons. Sure a 3 pound gun is still a 3 pound gun, but when you trade in a steel frame for an alloy or poly frame and add 6 more rounds to the magazine and it still weighs the same then we have truly accomplished something. Of course, that progress is quickly negated by the fact that guys think that they need a half dozen loaded mags on the belt, but that’s not the point.
 
In 1995, the year I retired out down here in Dade county (small 100 man outfit in north Dade...) my issue weapon was a Sig Sauer P229 in 40 cal (and that's what my entire outfit was issued... Back then I could still grow a mustache as well (but a skin doctor took care of that a few years later...).

For what it's worth no one I knew ever wanted their kids to follow them into police work...
 
If the 92 is lumped in then the B51 is as well as there really isn’t much changed in design,
The Beretta M1951 is an single-stack (8 round), single action, 9mm. (There was a full-auto version, the M951R, that came with a 10 round magazine, but those are hardly common.)

The Beretta 92 is a double-stack (originally 15 round), double/single action, 9mm.

About the only thing shared between the 51 and the 92 is the locking system and the cartridge.

The early 1970's saw the first high capacity, double action, 9mms with the H&K VP70 (1970) and the S&W Model 59 (1971), in the mid 1970s, the P220, the CZ-75 (both in 1975), and the Beretta 92 (1976) hit the market, and most of the rest followed in the later half of the 1980's.
 
I have owned a Beretta 92 INOX for near 30 years. It is an excellent pistol, has always served my well and I don't remember it ever malfunctioning! But it is VERY heavy by todays standards which would put it pretty low on my carry list. Strap one to your hip and carry it around for a few hours... it is not how I would want to walk around all day. I even have an old police retention holster and belt for my 92, it just is not comfortable to carry.

I enjoy shooting my 92 MUCH more than any of my modern plastic guns... but I choose to carry plastic guns.
 
In the late seventies my very first auto pistol for uniform carry was a confiscated Beretta 92 - a European 92S with the bottom mag release, lacking the later trigger block design... It was a great pistol and I actually shot better (scored higher) with it than any other auto pistol I ever carried (including a Sig P229, 40 cal that we were issued years later. When my agency's policy about weapons changed that first Beretta was no longer allowed and I had to return it... The only thing I can think of that accounted for my better scores was the five inch barrel that all of the Beretta 92's came with...

All of that was long ago and I haven't carried a sidearm even once in the 25 years I've been retired... from police work.
 
The Beretta M1951 is an single-stack (8 round), single action, 9mm. (There was a full-auto version, the M951R, that came with a 10 round magazine, but those are hardly common.)

The Beretta 92 is a double-stack (originally 15 round), double/single action, 9mm.

About the only thing shared between the 51 and the 92 is the locking system and the cartridge.

The early 1970's saw the first high capacity, double action, 9mms with the H&K VP70 (1970) and the S&W Model 59 (1971), in the mid 1970s, the P220, the CZ-75 (both in 1975), and the Beretta 92 (1976) hit the market, and most of the rest followed in the later half of the 1980's.
It’s not worth the argument. I made a point, you chose to overlook it, and I’m done.
 
My pops picked up a Hi Power in the early 80's. Still carries it.

I always considered the WonderNine as a DA/SA 9mm auto, not a SA like the BHP. I think it was Jeff Cooper that coined the phrase Krunchenticker for the DA/SA autos...

EDIT: Following that logic, the P38 would be the first WonderNine... so you would still be close...
 
I always considered the WonderNine as a DA/SA 9mm auto, not a SA like the BHP. I think it was Jeff Cooper that coined the phrase Krunchenticker for the DA/SA autos...

EDIT: Following that logic, the P38 would be the first WonderNine... so you would still be close...
interesting.

i figured the "wonder nine" part had to do with double stack mags...
 
Beretta made huge inroads in the 1980s and early 1990s into the LE market. Heck, they scored some major Federal LE contracts too. USBP, US Customs, and INS all jumped onto the Beretta 96D as their duty guns when they ditched the revolver. They skipped the 9mm.
Surprise! All of those agencies that still exist are now transitioning to 9mm. Is it a wonder?
 
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