BlueHeelerFl
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And that depends on what happens in GA
$1 Billion Ammo Backlog
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FFGColorado
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Regardless of how the GA runoffs go, I doubt anybody in DC has the time to deal with any firearm/ammo issues. ‘Few’ more pressing problems to (finally) be effectively dealt with.
CQB45ACP
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Don’t kid yourself. This issue is like the coronavirus but there is no vaccine in the future. It is in the top tier of energizing issues (read also as sources of donations) for the entire party at the National and local levels. Abortion, climate, immigration, social justice, guns...bet me.
Any incoming administration has just two years to make major inroads into accomplishing its agenda because the midterms can complicate everything. This will get major attention in the first two years. I’d be surprised if there wasn’t a czar-type White House position or the VP may take it on. Bet me.
You can see the progressive gun control agenda in writing on the Biden and center for American progress websites—comprehensive doesn’t even capture it. And much doesn’t require legislation so getting the Senate isn’t essential, but if they get even one senate seat...Katy bar the door. Bet me.
The sweeping changes in Virginia aren’t over yet but are one example of what can be done in a very short period of time with more to come. Bet me.
The Second Amendment is not an obstacle to completely eviscerating the “sport” side of gun ownership. The amendment will remain and gun ownership will endure but only with a may issue purchase permit.
bsparker
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my question with the large backlog... is it work buying a backorder product at today's prices and waiting a year+, with the hope that they actually fulfill it before getting ammo back on the regular market. Or just wait it all out, with the hope that it stabilizes to somewhat normal prices and production.
I just bought a S&W 686 on a like new, used one at a good price. Been looking to pick one up for the past 3 years. I have plenty of .38 on the shelf but no .357. I've found one place with in stock .357 at $65 a box plus shipping. Not sure I'm at the point of paying that knowing what it used to be.
I just bought a S&W 686 on a like new, used one at a good price. Been looking to pick one up for the past 3 years. I have plenty of .38 on the shelf but no .357. I've found one place with in stock .357 at $65 a box plus shipping. Not sure I'm at the point of paying that knowing what it used to be.
CQB45ACP
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Well it depends. You bought it because you like shooting or looking at it?
But back ordering isn’t the worst thing.
If you were buying stocks would you buy only when you were confident the price was right? Or wait for it to improve at some later date? And on that future date, would you buy or wait for yet some other future date?
TomJ
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Cook County, IL has a $.05 per bullet tax. The precedence is there.
CQB45ACP
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That doesn’t even approach the threshold that would slow me down, but might be prohibitive to others. It’s that imbalance that could trigger an equal protection clause litigation.
BlueHeelerFl
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That would be $25 in tax for 500 rds of 22lr. That plus the shortage would make it real hard for many people
CQB45ACP
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That was my point. I’d pay it. But, if a tax were so high as to make it too burdensome for some, but not all, folks to exercise a constitutional right, that might violate the equal protection clause. Remember the Poll Taxes in the South?
TomJ
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I had a conversation a while ago with the manager at Cabelas in Hoffman Estates, IL. They're in Cook County and he said it significanty hurt their anmo sales, especially bulk sales. It adds $50 to a case of 1000, which people weren't paying prior to the shortage. He said it's one of the reasons they started selling more clothes and other non-gun related products. They had to make up for those lost sales.
bsparker
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Fair point. I want it to be a shooter. Just hate paying these high costs, or worse yet (IMO), fork out the cash and still not have the bullets in hand due to backorders.
fastbolt
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A friend of mine is responsible for ordering the ammunition at his agency. He recently told me that he'd finally received an ammunition order he's been waiting on since March, ordered off the state contract. (The current contract was awarded to both Federal and Speer - Vista companies.) The contract used to be able to deliver fairly quickly, and provide an ETA for delivery, but he said now they've stopped providing any ETA for orders. He's been scrambling to find other companies and vendors. When you're large enough that you're making fairly frequent orders of pallets of cases at a time, having a slow-down in deliveries can put a damper on training, quals, providing ammo for academy cadets, etc.
The really large agencies who can easily go through half a million to a million dollars of ammo per year are probably really hurting.
Now, a large federal contract for a couple hundred million rounds might take up to 4 years for complete delivery, and even then, the FBI has been splitting it's contracts up between a couple of the big names.
I remember when I had to pinch hit to order some ammo for our range for duty/qual ammo. It was a small amount (5,000rds) for one of the pistol calibers), to plug a sudden hole in our monthly inventory until our regular order could arrive. That meant I could just call and drive over to one of our local LE vendors and give them a PO for some of the ammo on their shelves. Now everybody's hurting for ammo.
The really large agencies who can easily go through half a million to a million dollars of ammo per year are probably really hurting.
Now, a large federal contract for a couple hundred million rounds might take up to 4 years for complete delivery, and even then, the FBI has been splitting it's contracts up between a couple of the big names.
I remember when I had to pinch hit to order some ammo for our range for duty/qual ammo. It was a small amount (5,000rds) for one of the pistol calibers), to plug a sudden hole in our monthly inventory until our regular order could arrive. That meant I could just call and drive over to one of our local LE vendors and give them a PO for some of the ammo on their shelves. Now everybody's hurting for ammo.
I wouldn't bet against your statements. When you don't have to actually get actual votes to win elections (the current state of affairs), the sky is the limit for the gun grabbers. In the past, they knew that if they ACTUALLY did anything too drastic, they'd have to answer at the ballot box and would be out on their butts. But if the "vote by mail" train isn't stopped in the next few weeks, concern of getting voted out of office is ancient history in many jurisdictions. The only question is whether or not there are still enough jurisdictions that actually run an election where they count the legal votes, not just counting the "ballots." It's far more serious for 2A supporters (and supporters of other freedoms and liberties) than it's ever been, but people who get their news and information off of Don Lemon or Chris Wallace's prostate gland aren't aware, so they aren't concerned.
CQB45ACP
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Years ago, many years ago, the wife of a Texas congressman told me the biggest threat to our democracy was voter fraud and in particular mail in ballots. I thought she was nuts and had never heard of mail in ballots.
CQB45ACP
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Now that bothers me way more than me not getting it.
CQB45ACP
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Do you really have to pay up front for back orders? I didn’t know.
Anyway, in your mind, dollar cost average—Buy as much as you want regardless of price and over time (if the prices drop) the average cost you have paid drops too. But, on the other hand, if prices stay the same or go up, your original purchases were a bargain. And all the while you enjoyed shooting.
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Interesting
and
https://www.argusleader.com/story/n...ting-polls-safe-fair-and-accurate/3461929001/
Trump won Montana by 16points, 26 in South Dakota..I guess only states where trump lost were fraudulent. and
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...6-solely-strength-republican-absentee-voting/
I think mail votes could be made safe from fraud if the Democrats wanted an honest election. But that's not what they want and it's not why they brought in mail voting.
CQB45ACP
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Good grief, who thinks for an instant only Dems cheat? Throughout human history dishonesty has been a constant. People steal from the collection plate for crying out loud. Hollywood stars have been caught shop lifting. And political corruption is as old as politics itself.
In the US, big city political bosses and machines are a tradition—remember learning about New York’s Boss Tweed/Tammany Hall? Chicago, Boston, Detroit all big cities have had ‘em. Or how about all the Southern political machines?
Fast forward to today...good for Montana. It’s been developing a working system over a few years with effective planning and oversight for a really, really small population.
Contrast that with huge populations and political machines rushing headlong over a period of months with virtually no planning nor oversight. Ballot harvesting is a fraudsters dream and mailin voting is a wet dream.
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