Posted by Hi Point on their Instagram. Unethical IMO.

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Just wanted to see what you guys thought about this. High Point posted this on their Instagram today it’s from the Ohio youth hunt in the past week. In my opinion 45 ACP is very unethical to use against whitetail deer. I would actually be embarrassed to post that pic.
 

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It doesn't offend me at all, how's that different than a muzzle loader throwing a round ball at similar velocity? Countless deer have fallen to much less.
You may be right. I’ll admit I have no experience hunting with 45 ACP at all. But everything I’ve always read claimed that it was far too weak in order to ethically hunt a deer.
 
Just wanted to see what you guys thought about this. High Point posted this on their Instagram today it’s from the Ohio youth hunt in the past week. In my opinion 45 ACP is very unethical to use against whitetail deer. I would actually be embarrassed to post that pic.

Within 50 yards or so I see zero issues with a .45 ACP on a deer. I don’t find it unethical in the least, as long as it’s legal in your area it’s not a problem.
 
Are we sure its the 45 ACP version? They make the carbine in 9mm, 40S&W, 10mm Auto, & 45 ACP. As long at it is not the 9mm version, which would be technically illegal in Ohio I don't see an issue. 40S&W, 10mm Auto, or 45 ACP from a carbine would be more than enough to cleanly take a deer. I spent years in Ohio hunting deer with a 410 slug gun taking two nice bucks with it and its not much more of a gun than 45 ACP from a carbine and many would argue less. A few years ago I took two nice does with a 10mm Auto handgun. 45 ACP from a carbine is going to start creeping up into 10mm Auto from a handgun energy levels. Assuming the hunter shoots it well and stays within their capabilities I think it would be perfectly acceptable. YMMV
 
I think slappy’s second post is an important one from which all of us and the whole internet should learn.
Before we make quick judgements, let’s look into the matters we judge for ourselves.
That’s all from me tonight, happy thanksgiving.
 
Are we sure its the 45 ACP version? They make the carbine in 9mm, 40S&W, 10mm Auto, & 45 ACP. As long at it is not the 9mm version, which would be technically illegal in Ohio I don't see an issue. 40S&W, 10mm Auto, or 45 ACP from a carbine would be more than enough to cleanly take a deer. I spent years in Ohio hunting deer with a 410 slug gun taking two nice bucks with it and its not much more of a gun than 45 ACP from a carbine and many would argue less. A few years ago I took two nice does with a 10mm Auto handgun. 45 ACP from a carbine is going to start creeping up into 10mm Auto from a handgun energy levels. Assuming the hunter shoots it well and stays within their capabilities I think it would be perfectly acceptable. YMMV

4595 is the 45 ACP version.
 
The carbine turns an 225/230grain/800fps bullet into one doing 1,000/1100fps.
The carbine means shot placement accuracy at 75 yards comparable to 5-8 yards w/ a hand-held handgun.
The carbine effectively means walking up to the deer and placing a near-contact handgun shot into its chest -- at 75 yards

-'m pretty sure anyone shooting a 1911 would be fine with that for any four (or two) legged animals. :thumbup:
 
Have to go along with the I see nothing wrong here. If the kid was shooting from a stand like Bow hunters often use the Carbine they used would seem to me to be FAR better choice. Assuming the hunter made sure they were close enough to make a safe shot all I can think is if the first shot wounded the animal the hunter could easily put a second into it fast. If they were using a muzzle loader and the animal is wounded? The round can easily drop game that small if the hunter knows what they are doing. Looks like the kid is proud as can be of the harvest and more power to the teacher who got them out there to learn the sport.
 
I killed a wounded buck with a 1911 once. 200 grain XTP went clear through the neck at the base of the skull from 3 yards. I'm pretty sure with a better bullet choice and a carbine it would be adequate at bow hunting ranges.
 
OK, not a slam here, but as a point of discussion, why do you consider this "unethical"?

Would you consider the .45 Colt to be an "unethical" round for deer hunting? The design that evolved into the .45 ACP eventually settled in at about the .45 Schofield cartridge power, being the same caliber, same mass (the Schofiled had a 230 grain bullet loading), and a slightly higher velocity profile for the 230 bullet. It's generally slightly under the performance of the original .45 Colt, though only because the original .45 Colt was loaded with a 250/255 grain bullet at around 900 fps.

And the .45 Colt has a proven history as a hunting round when used in rifles. So why would the .45 ACP not likewise be acceptable?

And certainly the .45 ACP comes in a wide variety of bullet designs and loadings, many of which ought to provide significant capabilities with respect to taking down deer. If they can take down a human being from a pistol, I see no reason why they can't also do so coming from a rifle/carbine, which would impart a moderately higher velocity than from a pistol (especially if loaded accordingly).

Deer organs are not significantly more or less accessible than human organs when it comes to being shot.
 
As long as it is legal, I don't see it as an ethical problem, it may require some additional judgment on when to shoot and when not to because you need to get maybe a little more precise bullet placement, but 45's have taken down human beings pretty reliably with good bullet placement. Deer aren't all that much tougher than human beings.
 
Deer down. Boy happy. All good.

Slappy no like 45acp. So sad.

The 45acp was adopted by the Army at a time when the cavalry still held substantial sway. In their opinion, it was suitable for disabling horses at 100 yards. I get 950 FPS from my HiPoint carbine and 230 grs. Would not be in my list of Top Ten Deer Rifles, but people who don’t understand the penetrating effectiveness of large caliber, heavy bullets at slow speeds are destined to be very surprised. As noted above, 45/50 cal muzzle loaders almost certainly have similar terminal velocities and energy at their MPBR.

But it’s also possible the deer died of embarrassment knowing he was shot with a HiPoint carbine...
 
The carbine turns an 225/230grain/800fps bullet into one doing 1,000/1100fps.
The carbine means shot placement accuracy at 75 yards comparable to 5-8 yards w/ a hand-held handgun.
The carbine effectively means walking up to the deer and placing a near-contact handgun shot into its chest -- at 75 yards

-'m pretty sure anyone shooting a 1911 would be fine with that for any four (or two) legged animals. :thumbup:
I'd agree with that.
OK, not a slam here, but as a point of discussion, why do you consider this "unethical"?

Would you consider the .45 Colt to be an "unethical" round for deer hunting? The design that evolved into the .45 ACP eventually settled in at about the .45 Schofield cartridge power, being the same caliber, same mass (the Schofiled had a 230 grain bullet loading), and a slightly higher velocity profile for the 230 bullet. It's generally slightly under the performance of the original .45 Colt, though only because the original .45 Colt was loaded with a 250/255 grain bullet at around 900 fps.

And the .45 Colt has a proven history as a hunting round when used in rifles. So why would the .45 ACP not likewise be acceptable?

And certainly the .45 ACP comes in a wide variety of bullet designs and loadings, many of which ought to provide significant capabilities with respect to taking down deer. If they can take down a human being from a pistol, I see no reason why they can't also do so coming from a rifle/carbine, which would impart a moderately higher velocity than from a pistol (especially if loaded accordingly).

Deer organs are not significantly more or less accessible than human organs when it comes to being shot.

I only said I considered it unethical because based on the knowledge I have of the 45 ACP being used for hunting, my understanding is that it likely would not result in a clean quick kill. That’s the only thing I was thinking. And from reading these replies it appears like my knowledge of the 45 ACP is incorrect.
 
The picture tells the story. Out of a rifle, .45 ACP would be traveling @ between 1100 and 1400 fps depending on bullet weight. This would be similar to a .44 mag revolver with a 6" barrel using similar weight bullets. Nuttin' embarrassing or unethical at all.
 
Not sure what the unethical part would be. Slow large diameter bullets work very well if they are placed right. If it will shoot all the way through broadside it will do the trick. Sticking under the hide on the offside counts as full penetration. Blood trail is a bit thin though. I know of a couple people that have taken deer with a 38 special and hard cast 158 gr bullets. These were targets of opportunity taken close by very good and careful pistol shots. The point is applied properly they did the trick. The youngster in the picture obviously did their part.
 
People do shoot them with bows.

If required to use straight wall I'd do 44 mag rifle for kids. But anything in the lungs, will do it. I go bigger where i hunt, because of lack of deer, and thick brush. If you are in hunting close in wide open country. or have the abilility to wait, good gun for kids, I suppose. Slower than .357, but heavier and bigger hole.

I certainly do not see it as unethical, especially to the point I would create a thread.
 
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