Problems with the SIG Cross bolt gun

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Having never seen this particular reviewer before, and only needing thirty five seconds, that I will never get back, to turn it off, could someone please dissect the issue.
Or stuff a sock in that guy’s pie hole...
Either one. I’m easy. But forty five minutes of that to find the issue is the opposite of enjoyable.
 
DocRock said:
Quite impressive action by Sig. An abundance of caution perhaps, but rapid.

SIG got the rifle back and verified the problem. They wouldn't have issued a recall if this was an anomalie. An abundance of caution would have been to test the rifle thoroughly before offering it for sale. I've owned SIG products for years but they're going downhill fast. The MPX I bought is utter garbage and the least accurate rifle/carbine I've ever owned. The two P320s I bought both went back for the "voluntary" trigger upgrade.
 
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Demi-human said:
Having never seen this particular reviewer before, and only needing thirty five seconds, that I will never get back, to turn it off, could someone please dissect the issue.
Or stuff a sock in that guy’s pie hole...
Either one. I’m easy. But forty five minutes of that to find the issue is the opposite of enjoyable.

The first issue was that after chambering a round and pulling the trigger nothing was happening. They show at least two of these events. Then the situation changes in that nothing happens when the trigger is pulled, but when the trigger is released the firing pin is released and a round discharged . Finally, and perhaps worst of all, the trigger is pulled but nothing happens, the trigger is released but nothing happens, and then as the shooter starts to raise the bolt handle the firing pin is released and a round discharged.
 
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Not surprised here, Sigs been rushing things to market the past 5 years, riding on their good reputation, they better be careful, between the issues with the p320’s, the p365’s and now this...

Yes, they seem to eventually get it right but not a good look for Sig placing safety issues into public hands.
 
I'm still waiting to see how the .277 Fury cartridge reacts to hitting the real world, and it looks like I'll be waiting a bit longer with this recent safety recall. By my count this is 3 recent strikes against SIG (P320 voluntary trigger upgrade, P365 firing pin breakage, now Cross rifle fire control safety recall). Oh, and that's ignoring the multiple generations of the MPX and MCX rifles as teething issues were ironed out.
 
wanderinwalker said:
Oh, and that's ignoring the multiple generations of the MPX and MCX rifles as teething issues were ironed out.

... and they still haven't figured out the MPX. I sent mine back and they replaced the barrel but it's still less accurate at 25 yards than any 9mm pistol I own. Do you know how sickening that is? Mine is a factory SBR and I've thought about selling it but it wouldn't be fair on the new owner. I've been buying SIG products since '92 and won't part with the P220s, P239 and P225s , but these days I'm looking elsewhere and don't see myself buying anymore SIG products. There are way too many good alternatives available. Even Glock is starting to appeal to me after I shot a friend's 19X last weekend.
 
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The all the pervious rifle problems, the 320 issues, and now the Cross I am pretty much done with Sig at this point. I am not at all a Sig hater either. I grew up in a time with Sigs were the Rolls Royce of combat handguns. I still love the 22* series of handguns with the 226 being one of my favorites. These guns are simple to use, accurate, reliable and most importantly safe. This is in stark contrast to the current situation at Sig. With a wife, three kids, and a few years to retirement, I will leave the beta testing to someone else. The coolness factor of the products is simply not worth the risk. I hope that someone can come along to turn Sig back into the company it once was, but it appears that as long as the dollars roll in they care less reputation than they do about remuneration.
 
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The first issue was that
Thank you!:)

I, too, find it troubling that a rifle made it out of a German factory in that condition, let alone the design studio.

What I wonder is if this, and other companies, even trial the things they make.
Did they even shoot one of the rifles they made?
How can they see one rifle and it’s malfunction, and instantly know to issue a recall on all of them, but not see it in the designing and testing of the thing?

I know it’s the very first, completely new, earth shattering, hybrid, totally disrupting, crossover, new genre inspiring, sport utility rifle that’s never been seen before.
A bolt action AR.
But when Ruger came out with the RPR they didn’t have Remington-trigger-esque problems...
 
SIG got the rifle back and verified the problem. They wouldn't have issued a recall if this was an anomalie. An abundance of caution would have been to test the rifle thoroughly before offering it for sale. I've owned SIG products for years but they're going downhill fast. The MPX I bought is utter garbage and the least accurate rifle/carbine I've ever owned. The two P320s I bought both went back for the "voluntary" trigger upgrade.
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Using the buyer as 'beta tester' again??
At least it's expensive....
 
@Demi-human , I'm reasonably sure the only German-association the newer SIG offerings have is SIG's history and reputation. I believe all of their latest commercial hits have come from the other side of my state of New Hampshire.

... and they still haven't figured out the MPX. I sent mine back and they replaced the barrel but it's still less accurate at 25 yards than any 9mm pistol I own. Do you know how sickening that is? Mine is a factory SBR and I've thought about selling it but it wouldn't be fair on the new owner. I've been buying SIG products since '92 and won't part with the P220s, P239 and P225s , but these days I'm looking elsewhere and don't see myself buying anymore SIG products. There are way too many good alternatives available. Even Glock is starting to appeal to me after I shot a friend's 19X last weekend.

A West German P-220 in .45 ACP is very high on my list of guns I want to have some day. Pretty much anything pre-2000(ish) I'd be willing to believe is a good gun. The newer SIG stuff is guilty until proven innocent in my mind.

That said, I would like to get my hands on a Cross rifle, just to feel how the chassis stock handles. The Ruger RPR is decent enough for what it is, but so far my experience is that chassis stocks handle like a 4x4 fence post for shooting without a bipod or sandbags. Call me old-fashioned, but I approach a field rifle expecting it to handle more like a shotgun, and less like a fixed-position artillery piece. If the rifle won't swing naturally for offhand work, I'm rarely interested.
 
Having never seen this particular reviewer before, and only needing thirty five seconds, that I will never get back, to turn it off, could someone please dissect the issue.
Or stuff a sock in that guy’s pie hole...
Either one. I’m easy. But forty five minutes of that to find the issue is the opposite of enjoyable.

Yeah, the clown show is kind of hard to watch, someone gave me the time stamp on another board, start watching at 27 minutes.

I have a Cross, and as much as I've never really cared for the Sig pistols I've had (Glock & M&P FTW), I do like this rifle quite a bit. It's a bummer that such a blatant safety problem made it through, but at least they aren't taking the Remington approach I suppose. I've entered my S/N into their recall site and already received a confirmation email (although no instructions as of yet). I've got a little under 200 rds on the rifle right now with excellent accuracy and no safety issues. I'll send my Cross in, and as long as they don't screw up the excellent trigger, I'm planning on keeping and hopefully swapping barrels with a guy who has a 6.5 and wants a .308 (pulling the barrels is super easy, just like an AR with no gas system to line up).
 
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The Cross is a fantastic shooting gun, fortunately Sig stands behind their guns and will correct any POTENTIAL issue with the trigger. I’ve shot a couple hundred rounds through mine and had no issues. I also followed the specific break in and lubrication instructions.
 
Stlhdr1 said:
The Cross is a fantastic shooting gun, fortunately Sig stands behind their guns and will correct any POTENTIAL issue with the trigger. I’ve shot a couple hundred rounds through mine and had no issues. I also followed the specific break in and lubrication instructions.

Clearly it's an issue and not a "potential" issue. The fact that SIG has issued a recall means that their engineers have already verified that the problem is repeatable and statistically likely to occur again. It will be interesting to see if the problem shows up in other rifles. If find it interesting that it's not worded as a voluntary recall.

Demi-human said:
Wouldn’t video be conformation of an issue with the trigger?

Yes, and SIGs response clearly indicates that they verified the issue as being serious enough to warrant a recall.
 
I'm planning on keeping and hopefully swapping barrels with a guy who has a 6.5 and wants a .308 (pulling the barrels is super easy, just like an AR with no gas system to line up).

This is why I'm interested in the Cross the idea of easy barrel swaps and gaining some modularity afforded once only to AR's would be really nice in the bolt action realm. Would like to see some conventional stocks made for the rifle in the aftermarket world, chassis guns server their purpose, but not everyone's purpose is the same.

I'm not going to be Sig's QC though.

Are there any aftermarket triggers available yet for the Cross?
 
Are there any aftermarket triggers available yet for the Cross?

They're using a two-stage trigger but I'm not aware of any aftermarket options yet. TriggerTech would be the obvious choice, and maybe SIG outsources the trigger to them already ... who knows.

I would buy a Cross if the safety locked the bolt handle, but since it doesn't it's not on my wish list. Too bad really since there's much to like about it. Who doesn't want a lightweight, short, modular, user adjustable, easy barrel swap, accurate rifle?
 
I would buy a Cross if the safety locked the bolt handle, but since it doesn't it's not on my wish list. Too bad really since there's much to like about it. Who doesn't want a lightweight, short, modular, user adjustable, easy barrel swap, accurate rifle?
Truth.
 
They're using a two-stage trigger but I'm not aware of any aftermarket options yet. TriggerTech would be the obvious choice, and maybe SIG outsources the trigger to them already ... who knows.

I would buy a Cross if the safety locked the bolt handle, but since it doesn't it's not on my wish list. Too bad really since there's much to like about it. Who doesn't want a lightweight, short, modular, user adjustable, easy barrel swap, accurate rifle?

I too, am a stickler for a locking bolt.


Agreed.
 
They're using a two-stage trigger but I'm not aware of any aftermarket options yet. TriggerTech would be the obvious choice, and maybe SIG outsources the trigger to them already ... who knows.

I would buy a Cross if the safety locked the bolt handle, but since it doesn't it's not on my wish list. Too bad really since there's much to like about it. Who doesn't want a lightweight, short, modular, user adjustable, easy barrel swap, accurate rifle?

I prefer a 3 position safety with a position that locks the bolt, and my other hunting rifles have that, but I liked enough about the Cross to make an exception. It's a small thing, but I was really impressed with how the bolt goes together. No tools to disassemble, everything obviously goes together only one way, most of it is QPQ, just a nicely engineered piece, and the rest of the rifle seems is similarly well thought out (with the now obvious exception of whatever failure mechanism allowed the problem rifle to malfunction so dramatically). I also really like the easy adjustability of the stock, it can be set up to fit different individuals like a bespoke stock without the weight of most other chassis, or cost of an actual bespoke stock.

Also, LaRue MBT-2s kind of got me stuck on two stage triggers in ARs, but I have to say, I really like the two stage in this Sig. I have it set to break at ~2.5lbs, very crisp and nice IMO.

I wound up swapping barrels with a guy on The Hide who had a 6.5 and wanted a .308. Super easy to pull the barrel, and they use a neat double barrel nut system, one to headspace the barrel extension and another AR wrench compatible nut to attach the barrel assembly to the receiver. I'm not sure what the barrel thread is, but I was kind of wondering if I might be able to buy Savage or Remage Pre-fits and swap the extension at will.

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I banged my rifle around a bit, slammed the bolt, partially lifted the bolt, etc and couldn't make it mess up. I guess I'll see what Sig says once they complete their failure analysis, but I don't see any reason to stop shooting mine in the time being.
 
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