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Looks like you’ve struck barrel steel deep in that copper mine! :thumbup:

Lots of guns need a cleaning treatment like you’re doing to bring them back from buckshot-pattern purgatory, it’s neat to see how well your old rifle is progressing :).

Stay safe.
 
Looks like you’ve struck barrel steel deep in that copper mine! :thumbup:

Lots of guns need a cleaning treatment like you’re doing to bring them back from buckshot-pattern purgatory, it’s neat to see how well your old rifle is progressing :).

Stay safe.
What will be even neater is if I can actually get this thing to shoot half way decent once I'm done. After the second extended soak I mentioned in Post #25, I got out even more copper. I think the extended soaks have done about as much as they will do, so I've switched to regular cleaning techniques using Bore Tech CU+2 and get out blueish-green patches with every pass. I may be at this awhile, but hope to get down to bare steel at some point. I've ordered some Big 45 Metal Cleaner one of the commenters noted and hopefully that will help.
 
What will be even neater is if I can actually get this thing to shoot half way decent once I'm done. After the second extended soak I mentioned in Post #25, I got out even more copper. I think the extended soaks have done about as much as they will do, so I've switched to regular cleaning techniques using Bore Tech CU+2 and get out blueish-green patches with every pass. I may be at this awhile, but hope to get down to bare steel at some point. I've ordered some Big 45 Metal Cleaner one of the commenters noted and hopefully that will help.
As long as there’s blue or green there is copper being worked on. You’re well on your way to getting it all out. :thumbup:

I don’t know if a bore lapping compound may help smooth out more of the rough patches... I guess it couldn’t hurt if you want to give it a series of shots with the coatings and see:

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1006412014

JB also works well for most lousy bore applications, another option like the Big 45 :

https://www.amazon.com/Non-Embedding-Bore-Cleaning-Compound-Limited/dp/B07NSYS1LH


Thanks for sharing the process.
Stay safe.
 
Wrap some strands of a "Chore Boy" scouring pad (copper, not steel; it comes in both materials) around a brush, along with some solvent, and scrub the bore judicially with the stuff. It can be found in most kitchen cleaning sections of stores (Wal Mart carries it). If Chore Boy doesn't remove the crud, you've got a real chore ahead of you. Good luck!
 
Wrap some strands of a "Chore Boy" scouring pad (copper, not steel; it comes in both materials) around a brush, along with some solvent, and scrub the bore judicially with the stuff. It can be found in most kitchen cleaning sections of stores (Wal Mart carries it). If Chore Boy doesn't remove the crud, you've got a real chore ahead of you. Good luck!
The problem with using a copper "Chore Boy" is that the Bore Tech CU+2 I'm using would dissolve this stuff, leaving copper in the barrel and make it difficult to differentiate what's copper fouling versus dissolved "Chore Boy". Bore Tech specifically recommends using nylon brushes in the cleaning process, as opposed to bronze, because of this.
 
I found lead in my copper mine, too. In one of my many, many cleaning passes so far, something besides the patch dropped out of the end of the barrel into the catch pan I had sitting on the floor. This thing must have been thoroughly 'welded' to the rifling as I couldn't differentiate it from fouling when looking in the barrel with my borescope. There is still a lot of copper to be removed as the patches are still coming out dark blue. The cleaning will continue, and luckily I just received in the mail today the new bottle of Bore Tech CU+2 I had ordered.

12-Lead Pushed Out of Barrel.JPG 13-Used Cleaning Patches.JPG
 
The problem with using a copper "Chore Boy" is that the Bore Tech CU+2 I'm using would dissolve this stuff, leaving copper in the barrel and make it difficult to differentiate what's copper fouling versus dissolved "Chore Boy". Bore Tech specifically recommends using nylon brushes in the cleaning process, as opposed to bronze, because of this.
Well it was sugested to get a Big 45 pad and wrap some strands around a brush. This will shave the lumps down so you don,t have as much to dissolve. Using a piece of Chore Boy would be my 2nd idea to speed things up getting the lumps out. It will not dissolve using it with copper solvent. Besides whats the difference if it does leave some green with whats dissolved from the bore. It will wipe out on the patch. Using either on a brush, especially a nylon one, will help getting things out like the patch of lead. Plus either won,t hurt the bore.
 
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Oh, for the OP, j just realized you’re in Fredericksburg.

I spent many a summer with my Grandfather going to the horse races at the Gillespie County Fair... and we always came home with a couple of cases of fresh peaches that we would cook down into preserves and save :thumbup:.

Stay safe.
 
Consider using some VFG Felt pellets, Kroil and JB Bore Polish ( all at Brownells... be sure to order the felt pellet adaptor for your cleaning rod. )

You can adjust the snug fit in the bore of the felt pellets... the above listed products can work wonders.

And for the OP.... amazing thread !!
 
Progress on my barrel cleaning is very slow. There seems to be an endless supply of copper in my barrel, and I extracted an additional chunk of lead that was 'welded' to the bore. No telling when I'll get to the copper that was first laid down back in 1917. This stuff has had over one century of being baked on and vitrified. Once I receive the Big 45 Metal Cleaner I ordered, hopefully the removal process will speed up. After completing my 3 extended soaks, the process has been:

1) run 4 patches wetted with Bore Tech CU+2 down the barrel
2) make 50 passes with a nylon bore brush wetted with CU+2, removing every 10 strokes to rinse off the brush and blow-dry with compresses air
3) run 2 dry patches down the barrel
4) repeat the above process ad infinitum

By my 'score sheet', I have now made 1,400 passes (yes, that's one thousand four hundred) through the barrel with the nylon bore brush, and view of the bore with my borescope shows some progress is being made, but there is a lot left to remove.

14-4in from Muzzle After Extensive Cleaning.jpg 15-Throat After Extensive Cleaning.jpg
Most of the extensive fouling is in the region from 4" to 16" in from the muzzle on a 22" barrel. The work will continue. Hopefully I'll get the copper out and not end up with a smooth-bore barrel.
 
You may need to research the "electronic" lead removal method! That's a copper rod down the barrel that is plugged and a mild acid solution. A small DC voltage is connected to the rod and barrel so that current flows from the barrel to the rod removing the lead at the molecular level. Voila! All the lead collects on the rod!

Smiles,
 
My two cents: that barrel honestly looks like it hasn't been cleaned since the Army got rid of the rifle.
 
My two cents: that barrel honestly looks like it hasn't been cleaned since the Army got rid of the rifle.
I think you may be correct. I bought this rifle over 50 years ago and basically didn't do anything with it until a couple of years ago. I wish now I would have had a borescope to look in the barrel when I brought it out of storage as I would have done this clean-up before starting to do any load development for this rifle. The one thing I've discovered through this and the work on my 94 Winchester is that there are now far better bore cleaners than Hoppe's #9. By starting this thread, I've also gotten leads on cleaning products like Big 45.
 
Very interesting quest for a clean barrel. Your methodology is outstanding. It will be interesting to see the difference in how it shoots when you try it out after cleaning.
Best of luck when trying it out.
 
Well it was sugested to get a Big 45 pad and wrap some strands around a brush. This will shave the lumps down so you don,t have as much to dissolve. Using a piece of Chore Boy would be my 2nd idea to speed things up getting the lumps out. It will not dissolve using it with copper solvent. Besides whats the difference if it does leave some green with whats dissolved from the bore. It will wipe out on the patch. Using either on a brush, especially a nylon one, will help getting things out like the patch of lead. Plus either won,t hurt the bore.

I received the Big 45 Frontier Metal Cleaner I ordered and started using it wrapped around a bronze bore brush. After making 1,700 strokes through the bore with this stuff wetted with Bore Tech CU+2, I inspected the bore with my borescope. I can see I'm making some progress, but I don't think the Big 45 is working any faster than the nylon bore brush. I think the fouling in my barrel is so old, so hard, so vitrified and baked on to the barrel steel that removing this stuff is more a process of the chemical reaction with the CU+2 than the mechanical method used. This rifle was probably fed a steady diet of ammo that used potassium chlorate primers which left a residue of potassium chloride salt in the bore. I do know that salt has been used for centuries to glaze earthen stoneware under high temperatures to form a very hard surface. The potassium chloride salt residue has likely done the same in my barrel due to repeated firings over its lifetime and encapsulated the copper and other stuff. I'm no chemist, but it may have reacted with the copper to create some 'witches brew' compound.

Based on my findings, I resumed my cleaning process using a nylon bore brush and made another 2,000 passes through the bore. The 'blue soup' that dripped out of the barrel into my catch pan was as dark blue (see picture) as what dripped out when using the Big 45 metal cleaner.

16-Blue Soup After 2000 Brushings.JPG

I've since made another 1,500 passes with a nylon bore brush and am still getting 'blue soup' out of the barrel, but it is starting to look a little less intense blue in color. At this point, I have made a total of 6,750 passes through the barrel with some kind of bore brush (bronze, nylon, Big 45) and still getting copper out. This is going to be a very, very, very long, tedious process, but with the pandemic in full swing, winter weather now here, and not much else to do, I'll just keep brushing and listen to Willie Nelson and Merle Haggard on the radio. The one positive observation is that as I get the fouling out I can see that the rifling in the barrel looks to be in fairly decent shape, although it is pitted.
 
I’m waiting with bated breath for pictures after your next 2,000 strokes. :D

min all seriousness I’m glad you are doing this and posting about it. Many would move on right away with a bore in that condition. It’ll be very interesting how she shoots after 10,000 more strokes.

I like boretech stuff, it’s all I use anymore.
 
A few have already suggested JB bore paste. You would do well to follow their advice. It is messy, but it works.
 
After having made 10,250 brush strokes using Bore Tech CU+2, the copper coming out seemed to be diminishing and I could run CU+2 wetted patches through and have very little blue on them. I decided to look inside with my borescope. I'm not seeing any copper, but the 'alligator-skin' effect is still present, so I suspect this is just from pitting of the barrel steel. Running the 50-shot series of Tubb Final Finish bullets through this rifle may clean this up somewhat. I may also try the JB Bore Paste that has been suggested and see what affect that has.

17A-After 10250 4in from Muzzle.jpg 17B-After 10250 Muzzle.jpg 17C-After 10250 16in from Muzzle.jpg 17D-After 10250.jpg
 
Deleted- repeat of what a previous member, Swampwolf said. That said, Chore Boy really does work where others fail
 
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