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he adjective temporary is used to describe something that isn't permanent or lasts only a short time. Its roots are in the Latin word tempus, meaning "time or season."

While certainly not permanent, they also aren't a "short" period of time either. A short period of time to me, would be 6 months to a year, no more than once every 10 years.
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All 4 seasons happen every year. You can fault definitions though, you can pick yours or others. You were temporarily a child and in the realm of permanence, you will only be an adult temporarily, after that your body will be dead permanently.
 
SterlingBullet said:
The current ammo shortage has surprised everyone in the breadth across everything related to firearms. Almost every handgun and shotgun model is unavailable from the national wholesalers. The gun store I work at has not received any appreciable volume of handgun ammunition since last spring. For example, we obtained 10 50rd boxes of .380 two weeks ago, the first .380 in five months. Every handgun and rifle caliber cannot be ordered from our normal suppliers.
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Reading this, something is not computing properly. I have heard the same thing from all the other gun stores I have visited. They simply cannot order the ammo. The funny thing is, I keep hearing that there such a large demand for ammo that it's just not on the shelves! If it's not on the shelves, stores can't order it, stores are not getting it, where is it all going? I just don't get it. Same thing with primers. Stores aren't getting ammo, where are the primers? Am I missing something?
 
BigIron76 said:
Reading this, something is not computing properly. I have heard the same thing from all the other gun stores I have visited. They simply cannot order the ammo. The funny thing is, I keep hearing that there such a large demand for ammo that it's just not on the shelves! If it's not on the shelves, stores can't order it, stores are not getting it, where is it all going? I just don't get it. Same thing with primers. Stores aren't getting ammo, where are the primers? Am I missing something?
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Yes.

Stores are getting ammo. Stores are getting primers. They are getting considerably less than ordered. Supply is depleted in hours where resupply could be a week.

The pecking order for who gets it i can't delve into. I can say that bass pro concord nc, cabelas fort mill sc, hyatts Charlotte nc, and a few smaller stores have been receiving ammo and powder/ primer orders. All have a max ammo per person rule and all sell out the day it arrives.
 
brewer12345 said:
I think cyclical is a very good way to describe this market, both from the point of view of producers and consumers. I'd guess the cycle is 5 to 7 years long on average and the "hard" part of the cycle lasts 1-2 years. From the point of view of the consumer, you need to stock up to last through at least 2 years of tight supply. From the point of view of the producer, would you invest tens of millions of dollars in a new plant that would only really make money 1/3 of the time?
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I still think they would make money 100% of the time, just significantly more money during these surges (on the order of 100x as a normal year). As folks have pointed out, stores still get stock, just far less than they ordered and that stock is depleted in hours.

There is some middle ground that the manufacturers can aim for. Production such that during these surges, stores are out of stock a week and then good for a few weeks. The way it is now is just crazy, and tons of money left on the table. RMR for example as communicated that with all the orders they got, they have been able to invest in lots of new equipment and pay it off. I suspect the big manufacturers could do the same and pay off their investment during just this surge alone. 8 million new gun owners, stores are sold out within an hour of any shipment. That isn't just panic buying, that is a huge increase in demand.
 
When did wash your hands, wear a mask, and stay out of crowds
Become hoard toilet paper and ammo?
Bunch of morons, if you were not ready by now you must have been living under a rock!

Moron came in the LGS and I heard him say , "hey why won't 9 mak fit in my 9, it is a!l the same! That is the level of ignorance the public has dropped to in this false panic.
 
SharpDog said:
When this shortage started I went and bought 4 years worth of ammo, basically doubling my ready supply for practice
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Apparently the county Sheriff's Dept feels the same way. I asked if they were cutting back on practicing or anything and the Col. told me they buy 4 year supply, the year before every presidential election cycle. So they're shooting just as much as they ever did.
 
This is simple. This is yet another panic and like all others before it, it will pass. It always comes, it always goes.

Every flipping time it's the same thing...

"This one is it, this one is going to stick"
"I don't think the market will ever be the same again"
"Joe Blow politician is going to ban XYZ...so get it now while you can"

Eventually, a few things will happen:
-those of us that stocked will not buy high
-those that did not plan, and are willing to buy high, will eventually stop due to either insane prices of satisfaction of needs
-Supply will eventually out pace demand and prices will begin to come down

Biden is a moron and a blow hard...I'm not exactly sure what the fool will attempt in the next 4 years, but I doubt it will be a fraction of what he is threatening.
 
I'd like to add this. I personally feel that this one is so extreme because of the massive series of events.

We all knew 2020 was an election year. Late summer 2016, there was the beginning of a panic but once Trump won, that all settled down. Had he won this time around, things would have begun to settle down quickly.

Add in the "pandemic", then mix in civil unrest (and new gun owners because of it), and then top it all off with a Dem taking the WH, one who loves to make anti-gun threats, and you have the perfect storm we're all now in.
 
weeniewawa said:
if we don't get the voting fraud under control, it may last a bit longer than 4 years.
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This is an interesting and completely side topic of discussion.

We've all know that voter fraud is as old as voting. Part of me says that if huge number fraud was possible in 2020, it would have been possible in 2016 and Clinton didn't win.

I don't really know...there's too much noise on this one to tell. I guess that if all we get are Dem presidents from here on out and only due to wins in a few key states, perhaps we'll know then.
 
Living in California, I've come to recognize the long-term strategy of the Anti-2A crowd. They continually enact rules, regulations, and laws designed to restrict the masses from access to firearms. They've never seen a gun control measure they didn't like. Some of these get overturned in the courts, but that takes, time, effort, a 2A-friendly judge, and money.
Look at the incremental steps we've seen on purchasing a new firearm. First, they required serial numbering by manufacturers, then the 4473 form, then the 10-day wait, then 1 handgun in 30 days, then 1 firearm in 30 days. Don't forget the safe handgun roster.... Now BATFE is after 80% frames. Death by 1000 cuts. When it became likely that the courts would not allow much in the way of further restrictions on guns to stand, the emphasis shifted to ammunition. Again, death by 1000 cuts. No outright ban, just some "common sense" restrictions, "for the children". The same folks who brought us the 10-round magazine decided that they could impose a new rule on the purchase of ammunition, requiring a licensed dealer to obtain a clearance to sell ammo to an individual. Of course, this increases the cost of the ammo, decreases the convenience of purchasing ammo for law-abiding citizens, and creates a record of every ammunition purchase - just like firearms.
So what's next? On the ammo front, I expect controls on reloading components, particularly powder and primers. With the stroke of a pen, those will become regulated as "components of destructive devices" or similar wording, probably connected to the "national health crisis of gun violence". California's laws will become the model for the nation. As new gun purchases are limited, ammo and components of ammo will follow suit. "common sense" limits, say 1000 rounds or primers per transaction at first, then 1000 a month, then 1000 a year, then 500, then 250, then 100, then 50, then 10. At the same time, packaging and storage laws will be instituted, "for children's safety". While we're at it, there's plenty of room to serialize individual rounds of ammunition - for the same reasons as we serialize guns. What a common-sense way to be able to track ammunition - while simultaneously adding expense to the manufacturer's balance sheet, both in production costs and administrative burdens of keeping track of all of it. So what if it triples the cost - it's making the streets/children/Grandmas safer! Same for micro-stamping primers...
Of course, demand will decrease as costs and processing times increase. Smaller manufacturers will weaken, and either close or be bought out by investment-firm-managed corporations. This will take decades to accomplish, one tiny, common-sense, "for the safety of the children" measure at a time. Or maybe not - I wonder if Beto will head BATFE?
 
Teachu2 said:
Living in California, I've come to recognize the long-term strategy of the Anti-2A crowd. They continually enact rules, regulations, and laws designed to restrict the masses from access to firearms. They've never seen a gun control measure they didn't like. Some of these get overturned in the courts, but that takes, time, effort, a 2A-friendly judge, and money.
Look at the incremental steps we've seen on purchasing a new firearm. First, they required serial numbering by manufacturers, then the 4473 form, then the 10-day wait, then 1 handgun in 30 days, then 1 firearm in 30 days. Don't forget the safe handgun roster.... Now BATFE is after 80% frames. Death by 1000 cuts. When it became likely that the courts would not allow much in the way of further restrictions on guns to stand, the emphasis shifted to ammunition. Again, death by 1000 cuts. No outright ban, just some "common sense" restrictions, "for the children". The same folks who brought us the 10-round magazine decided that they could impose a new rule on the purchase of ammunition, requiring a licensed dealer to obtain a clearance to sell ammo to an individual. Of course, this increases the cost of the ammo, decreases the convenience of purchasing ammo for law-abiding citizens, and creates a record of every ammunition purchase - just like firearms.
So what's next? On the ammo front, I expect controls on reloading components, particularly powder and primers. With the stroke of a pen, those will become regulated as "components of destructive devices" or similar wording, probably connected to the "national health crisis of gun violence". California's laws will become the model for the nation. As new gun purchases are limited, ammo and components of ammo will follow suit. "common sense" limits, say 1000 rounds or primers per transaction at first, then 1000 a month, then 1000 a year, then 500, then 250, then 100, then 50, then 10. At the same time, packaging and storage laws will be instituted, "for children's safety". While we're at it, there's plenty of room to serialize individual rounds of ammunition - for the same reasons as we serialize guns. What a common-sense way to be able to track ammunition - while simultaneously adding expense to the manufacturer's balance sheet, both in production costs and administrative burdens of keeping track of all of it. So what if it triples the cost - it's making the streets/children/Grandmas safer! Same for micro-stamping primers...
Of course, demand will decrease as costs and processing times increase. Smaller manufacturers will weaken, and either close or be bought out by investment-firm-managed corporations. This will take decades to accomplish, one tiny, common-sense, "for the safety of the children" measure at a time. Or maybe not - I wonder if Beto will head BATFE?
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Great points. I'm suffering right along with you! There is talk that they will use California's model of gun control on a federal level. In the meantime, with Becera moving out of town to join Biden's mob, it will be interesting who the next progressive clown is that will continue where he has left off.
 
Biden is a moron and a blow hard...I'm not exactly sure what the fool will attempt in the next 4 years, but I doubt it will be a fraction of what he is threatening.
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Biden won't be lasting 6 months; the hardcore left has taken over the Democrats and have vowed to eliminate gun ownership. If they win GA through their fraud and cheating, things will not be changed in our favor in your lifetime of that of your kids or grandkids.
 
As I mentioned in the "What did you do in the reloading room today" thread, I'm utterly frustrated. I didn't really start reloading until this had started. Sure I had the equipment but was only tooled up for .45 ACP. I've since added some other cartridges. With a meager supply of components on hand, I'm pretty much done shooting for now.

Obviously I wish I had stocked up on tens of thousands of small pistol primers, .357 bullets and powder but it's hard to have that foresight when you're not even reloading those things yet.

I know, I know. Nobody to blame but myself. But shooting as a hobby has about run its enjoyment out this year.
 
Glad a Vaccine is 'on it's way' and we'll know a lot more about ~politics~ in the next few months.
So,,,, I'm cautiously optimistic that this summer might show a slight improvement for component availability.

But shooting as a hobby has about run its enjoyment out this year

I was looking for a hobby when I found this one.
 
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