Man , I hope you are right ..... This feels ... different.
Where's the ammo? American Rifleman article
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Man , I hope you are right ..... This feels ... different.
DustyGmt
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I download mine too, to a greater extent though. When I was buying ammo regularly I would load most 9mm mags with 10rds, now its 5 or 6. I figure that's roughly 10 mags per 50rd box and instead of pumping through mags I have been doing 1 and 2 shot drills when I do get to the range which isnt very often lately, drawing from the holster to work on presentation and first shot accuracy. It's a good way to conserve and stay sharp during a shortage. I know dry firing is a valuable endeavor as well, I just get bored with it pretty quick.
The other thing I did was bought a Glock44 22lr and have idk, 5k rounds give or take. I figure I can shoot 9mm once in a while and .22lr once in a while, not weekly anymore though. I wont be shooting any .38spl or .380 since I have very, very lil of that. One thing I regret aside from not stocking up on more 9mm befor all this is not buying a box of the lehigh Penetrators for my. 380, i settled on that round after 10 years of gold dots and deciding it was time to rotate it out for those and meant to buy them but when I got around to do it it was too late, I typically carry a 9mm but sometimes I need a pocket gun instead. Havent been able to find a box in like 8+ months. I just need one or two boxes for my pocket piece.
When I think of the following, I want to hop in my rig and go slap my "friend" who had gone to the scrap yard and saw a woman trying to throw away 4,000 rounds of .38spl reloads. When he inquired about them she asked if he would like to have em he was like sure, even though he doesnt have a gun he probably figured he could get a few bucks for em. He sold them to another mutual friend for $200. I was furious because he knew I would have bought them in a heartbeat and I know the only reason he didnt come to me was because he owed me like $50 and must have felt awkward about it, enough so to duck me, otherwise I would have been his first call. It sucked because he had come to me about a few favors and wasn't exactly keeping his word so my helping him out burned me out of a killer deal. Oh well, moving on.
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That is not a huge stash. Wouldn't make me feel comfortable.
Y'know , I have deliberately refrained from joining in on ammo shortage discussions for various reasons , tonight I drew myself in. Thinking about it stimulates concern , concern begats worry. (for me anyway , not commenting on others)
Back to our regular program.
DustyGmt -
The last time I got a "great deal" on a large quantity of .38 special reloads from an unverified source I wound up stretching the cylinder of a S&W Highway Patrolman - a big ol' L frame! If I had been shooting a K frame - or God help me a J frame - it probably would have turned the cylinder into a grenade.
When is a deal not a deal?
The last time I got a "great deal" on a large quantity of .38 special reloads from an unverified source I wound up stretching the cylinder of a S&W Highway Patrolman - a big ol' L frame! If I had been shooting a K frame - or God help me a J frame - it probably would have turned the cylinder into a grenade.
When is a deal not a deal?
Shanghai McCoy
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In one of P.J. ORourke's essays about being in Somalia one of his companions/bodyguard refers to a Glock as "The Mastercard of the future"...
Perhaps that's just the usual P.J. ORourke literary "overkill", but that was also before they started burning cities here in this country.
MacAR
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It does, to be sure. But honestly, I think we'll see supply come back around next summer. Sure hope so. I've got enough '06 and triple deuce to do me, for a while. But not a long while.
If we'll all try and stay calm, and not buy everything we can get our hands on, the supply chain will catch up.
Keep the faith.
Mac
jhb
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simplest answer is usually correct and is this time as well.
thanks for posting.
this old coot already had a big stash in the closets so I got to sit this one out and not worry about how to find or afford, to do some shooting.
thanks for posting.this old coot already had a big stash in the closets so I got to sit this one out and not worry about how to find or afford, to do some shooting.
I, too, have pulled in my horns as far as weekly trips to the range. I'll rely on my years of training if I ever need to press my remaining stores into self-defense use. Hate not to keep the blade sharp though...
DustyGmt
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The way I understand it, his friend was buying in 2500 rd increments. Instead of buying a box of 500 each trip, he was buying 5-500rd boxes each trip. I'm guessing he has a massive stash.
skfullen
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I'm guessing he was ordering by mail in increments of 2.5k rounds and a Ruger 10/22 per order.
DustyGmt
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Good call. This was a few years back, if that deal came along right now, I honestly cant say what I would do. I think I would try very hard to find out who loaded them at the very least.
DustyGmt
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A few things that keeps me fairly optimistic is the fact that I know we are constantly being manipulated via TV/internet media sources and they in large part steer a major percentage of people into stores to open their wallets to buy X, Y, Z.... They also exhaust certain talking points and play up the "suspense" and "uncertainty" to keep people tuned in. Not to say we shouldnt be concerned, we should.
These ammo companies need/want to make money and the only way they can continue to profit and stay in business is to continue to make ammo. As long as we want to buy it, they will be producing.
AlexanderA
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It's not a legislative panic (fear of future restrictions). It's a civil-unrest panic. Everybody, regardless of political orientation, is buying guns and ammo. There is no historical precedent for this. Because of that, there's no way to predict how this will turn out.
Clearly, it is both. It may have started primarily as a civil unrest panic, but it gradually, as the election approached, it began to incorporate a legislative panic and now has morphed primarily into a legislative panic.
As far as there being no precedent for a civil unrest panic, that's not true. There was a Y2K ammo/guns panic, although it wasn't as bad as this one.
But really, the specific reason people are panicking doesn't change things significantly. While they're panicked, they can buy more ammo than the ammo makers can make. When the panic subsides, the makers will catch up again and things will calm back down.
The only way that we wouldn't be able to predict how things are going to turn out is if the demand never calms back down and the panic continues. However, already the widespread civil unrest is pretty much gone with just a pocket or two of stupid still holding out, and even then, not with the same intensity. Now the concern driving gun/ammo sales seems to be mostly fear of new legislation.
DustyGmt
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IMO, it is both. 2020 has been nutty, I have to think that with the combination of the peaceful murders of police officers, peaceful rioters burning down cities, the election and all that encompasses including JB and KH anti gun agenda, Beto's BS, Covid, corporations virtue signaling and taking up positions against 2Aand everything else. Its created the perfect storm.
They wanted things to get ugly, they succeeded. Pretty masterfully. It's actually impressive. Terrifying but impressive nonetheless. I wish some of the people on our side had the same roll up our sleeves can do attitude. You're definitely right about unprecedented, I've never seen chaos waged so intensely for so long, in my life.
.455_Hunter
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It's my understanding that it is producing again under Vista ownership. I am seeing new Remington ammo recently on the shelf, which had been absent for a couple months.
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This is the first such episode that has made me nervous. During the past ones I have been confident that it would eventually end and unsurprised when it did. This one does feel different.
My flintlocks are my only guns which I do not worry about shooting. I have a ridiculous amount of powder on hand, and everything else I might run out of is still available.
Mostly, though, I've been shooting my bows. Even arrows and other components are a bit harder to come by than usual...
My flintlocks are my only guns which I do not worry about shooting. I have a ridiculous amount of powder on hand, and everything else I might run out of is still available.
Mostly, though, I've been shooting my bows. Even arrows and other components are a bit harder to come by than usual...
We can all wring our hands, speculate about the future, want, wish, regret, hoard, brag, etc about the subject of ammo - things may improve and things may decay further - we will be fine. I am just very glad that this is not a food and/ or water thread.
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You’re right. In the past, it seemed like the antis were just after your pursuit of happiness. Now, it seems like there’s an element of life and liberty in their quest. Stockpiling is a natural response to that threat.
I looked a The Amer. Rifle Article. While picking up meds at the local WalM*** , I looked at their 'article'',ammo shelves (LoL). Which are ... BARE. Two boxes of Remington 222 centerfire (not 223) , about 8 boxes of party pack / 100 rounds Win AA shotgun shells. Everything else gone gone gone... Same at another store, almost carbon copy...
One buddy said he read (??) somewhere that WalM*** is going to stop selling ammo all together. Has anyone else heard this? Frankly I didn't believe it, and, as this was several weeks ago I figured it would be all over THR
if true...
One buddy said he read (??) somewhere that WalM*** is going to stop selling ammo all together. Has anyone else heard this? Frankly I didn't believe it, and, as this was several weeks ago I figured it would be all over THR
if true...
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Owned a bicycle shop until 2013 and that industry is going through the very same thing. Only difference is most 'bike stuff' is made off shore but big bike companies expect new inventory 'maybe' by mid summer 2021..if anything ordered is actually delivered, it's gone in 1-2 days.
FROGO207
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WM is too greedy to stop selling ammo at cost to get the average joe onto their store. It's all about moving as many of their high profit items as possible every day. They like the rest of us are waiting for supplies so they can restock their shelves. People are really scared this time and add all the new firearms owners to get that perfect storm.
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As he mentions, 'some' places, most(all) online ammo resellers, 'seem' to be gouging quite a bit. Most everything is available..9mm, 380, 38special, 357, 223/556, etc BUT geez...380 for $1.20 per, for just basic FMJ?
These online places get ammo from the same places as store fronts, at the same $...but sell for double or so. Sportsman Warehouse ammo weekend before last. $15 per 50 for 9mm FMJ. $30 for 100..1/2 of all the online places now on various ammo search engines.
PLUS they gouge on shipping..
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