Your pick, hammer or hammer less?

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And still doesn't tell you if there's a round in the chamber.
I guess I understand the point of some type of “loaded chamber indicator”, but geez if your situational awareness doesn’t even extend to the condition of the firearm on you, maybe you should be carrying mace and a whistle.

just my opinion; wording not crafted as a barb pointed at anybody.
 
... but geez if your situational awareness doesn’t even extend to the condition of the firearm on you, maybe you should be carrying mace and a whistle.
Or, perhaps your situational awareness is so good, the hammer provides additional feedback...

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They have a hammer that can provide additional input to the user that they are actually pressing the trigger. I actually find this as a solid positive as I have found that during several near shooting situations I have been in that I have been able to “see” my trigger press. Visual input is greatly enhanced in these situations while tactile input is decreased. I have confirmed this with individuals who have been in multiple shootings with double action guns that they could see their press.
 
Of my modest collection, my two favorite pistols for home defense and at the range are my SA Range Officer Target 1911 and my Sig X5 Legion. They are almost identical in weight, size, and accuracy, with the big difference being the Legion can spit out 7 more rounds per mag. I wouldn’t want to be without either.
 
I have moved to striker fired guns for EDC but I am just as comfortable with my USP 9c or 1911. So I guess my answer would be both.
 
Oldschool shooter writes:

..and after all these years without an incident, my backside still puckers watching the hammer fall knowing there is a live round in the chamber.

Same here. I still guide the hammer back down while using a de-cocker (I'm another "old-school shooter.")
 
Gun designers moved away from exposed hammers on rifles and shotguns over 100 years ago for a lot of reasons. Striker fired long guns have long ago proven to be more reliable. The better question is why did manufacturers keep using them on pistols for so long. I understand revolvers, and have no issue with them on classic pistols like the 1911. I'm not interested in selling my classic pistols with hammers, but there is no reason to have them on a modern pistol.



That hammer actually makes the gun more dangerous. There are more AD's with exposed hammer lever actions than all other types combined. Mostly when being unloaded or trying to un-cock them. Exposed hammers can catch on brush or clothing and allow the gun to be unintentionally cocked without the person carrying it knowing.

In true life or death struggles at face to face distances clothing or hair can get between the hammer and firing pin and prevent the gun from firing. If a gun is dropped in a struggle, or used as a club an exposed hammer can be damaged making the gun inoperable. An exposed hammer is another opening for dirt and debris to get into the guns internals and cause problems. Modern striker fired guns keep all of the moving parts protected inside of the gun with fewer openings for dirt to get inside.



All of my pistols are "ready to rock" all the time. No reason to look at a hammer, but I can look at either the trigger or loaded chamber indicator on my pistols if I want to.

Glad to hear your guns can rock. So can my hammer fired, and I have rocked quite a few of those, implied "worthless" hammer fired handguns in my life and not talking about shooting pieces of paper at a nice cozy range while BS about how tough life is.

Therefore, could you kindly post all the actual facts you have stated about reliability and safety. I would like actual facts, not internet gossip or info from some internet shooting expert. Actual figures or even experience from those who have actually carried in real life situations where guns are actually used for what they are intended and not shooting mean looking people on paper.

I'm 73, have carried a hammer fired handgun all my life, and never had a problem with reliability nor safety and I carried in places you would only have nightmares about including but not inclusive to Thailand / Burma border (when I was there is was still Burma), and possibly some of the surrounding countries; (never to be confirmed nor denied) :eek:, have also carried hammer fired handguns in the deserts of some countries that are only friendly to scorpions, and other lizards (four and two legged varieties). And most of those working with me at the same time were also carrying hammer fired weapons; not all, but the majority. Only common factor we had was the ammo.

And now that I have been retired for many years, only hammer fired are the handguns of choice. Why? Cause I have proven to myself in many situations they work, and always have worked, regardless of how dirty they have been they have gone "bang," when I aimed and pulled the trigger. And at times, some were seriously filthy. And going bang when airmed at a target that can actually aim something at you and go bang back, is what it is all about.

However, I will not say striker fired are not any good. They are; just really looking for info as requested. (And to be honest, it will not change my mind about my hammer fired handguns and I have a few.:D)
 
Yea, I have a XD9 and they have a way to tell if they are cocked as well as a way to tell if there is a round chambered.
I guess I should have said "you can easily tell if they are ready".
The other thing I like about exposed hammer pistols is, you can carry one in the chamber and put the hammer at half cock. With a striker fire I wouldn't feel safe with one in the chamber because you can't decock it (at least not with my xd since it has no decocker) and if you do, racking the slide to cock it, ejects the round.
And as others have said, I like striker fired for CC.
Not trying to pick nits here but on a Glock anyway, the gun isn't fully 'cocked' with one in the chamber, and 'cocked'. Squeezing the trigger compresses the spring and then the gun fires. The amount the striker spring is compressed before squeezing the trigger isn't enough to fire the round..

I can 'feel', by placing my finger on the side of the trigger, whether or not my Glocks are chambered and cocked, or not...pretty easy too. Don't have to look down.
AND, I keep all my guns loaded and 'cocked' anyway..even when they living in the safe.
 
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Not trying to pick nits here but on a Glock anyway, the gun isn't fully 'cocked' with one in the chamber, and 'cocked'. Squeezing the trigger compresses the spring and then the gun fires. The amount the striker spring is compressed before squeezing the trigger isn't enough to fire the round..
We've done this before - elsewhere, Glock armorers, have defeated the firing pin block and found the partially cocked Glock striker has enough energy to ignite primers. It is still a safe gun, but it's a lot closer to a single action than it is to a double action, while still being neither.
 
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hammerless has one less place for crud to enter the action. Less likely to snag.
Just because a hammer is down, does not mean the gun is safe. It depends on the gun. If the gun has a trigger operated firing pin block, than it really does not matter where the hammer is relative to safety.
A striker fire gun is usually more difficult to tune the trigger.
 
I have both and really don't have a preference. I will say that I've owned several hammer guns thatde-cock when you engage the safety, and after all these years without an incident, my backside still puckers watching the hammer fall knowing there is a live round in the chamber.

Oldschool shooter writes:
Same here. I still guide the hammer back down while using a de-cocker (I'm another "old-school shooter.")

Yeah, I really dislike slide mounted safety/decockers for that reason. Doesn't mean I don't have them, but I certainly prefer the slow and controlled hammer lowering that some frame mounted de-cockers offer.
 
You can de-cock, while loaded, with a hammer. You can tell if it's cocked, with a hammer.

This really says it all,,,
But I'll elaborate just a bit more.

I do not like not being able to de-cock any gun without dry firing it,,,
So unless it has a de-cocker built in,,,
I want a hammer.

Aarond

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This really says it all,,,
But I'll elaborate just a bit more.

I do not like not being able to de-cock any gun without dry firing it,,,
So unless it has a de-cocker built in,,,
I want a hammer.

Aarond

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I really dont see that one is any safer or less safe than another. It all falls to the handler to understand what they have in their hands, how it works, and to be safe with it.

It also sounds like there are quite a few people who dont seem to understand the mechanics of different things, and how the different types of guns/actions work. Perhaps some need to get better educated and broaden their horizons. :thumbup:
 
Hammer.

And a decocker.

CZ 75 BD or Omega, Sig P226, Sig P230... stuff like that.

Nothing wrong with striker fired handguns. Just not my thing.

Would like to try a Ruger American 9mm though.
 
And a decocker.
Nay nay! :D

Hammer fired or striker, I care about how the gun feels and shoots, I would take a 1911 over 99% of autos out there, but there is this little thing called a P-365 that has made me decide there is life besides 1911s.

No de-cockers though, to quote Mrs Water Boy, de-cockers are the debil! :)
 
I strongly prefer to carry something without a hammer or any other protruding parts that could snag on clothing.

Most of my range toys have hammers, though.
 
OP- The more links to the chain of which you might have to operate under extreme stress, the more that might go wrong.
Striker fired guns for combat for me.
Single actions for target shooting, and hunting.
Ive been stuck on the Sig P228 for a long time, but my instincts tell me to carry the Glock 17 or 19 over it .... under pressure the absolute simpler the better..
However, if youve trained a long time on SA/DA such as in the military with an M9, then go with it or something like it. Its all about what youre aquainted with better...what do you have more time on?
 
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