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I just got an email from the CMP announcing that they've reopened 1911 sales. I tried clicking on the included link to their details page, but their host server must have been swamped by a thousand other requests for the same page. So just be advised that sales will be open until March 4. I guess you'll have to find out the details by going in through the CMP website's home page.
 
It'd be interesting to see a side-by-side comparison of the three grades that fellas have received on these.

Are they still doing that weird *lottery* thing to determine buyers?

Todd.
 
Speedo66 said:
have no interest in clapped out overpriced parts guns.
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Even ones disassembled and gauged by talented gunsmiths and any sub-standard parts replaced with new?
The people buying examples from the auctions disagree with you, and are paying some large money for exceptional examples of these.
Here's the grading scheme:
Service Grade $1050. Pistol may exhibit minor pitting and wear on exterior surfaces and friction surfaces. Grips are complete with no cracks. Pistol is in issuable condition. Pistols may contain commercial parts.

Field Grade $950. Pistol may exhibit minor rust, pitting, and wear on exterior surfaces and friction surfaces. Grips are complete with no cracks. Pistol is in issuable condition. Pistols may contain commercial parts.

Rack Grade $850. Pistol will exhibit rust, pitting, and wear on exterior surfaces and friction surfaces. Grips may be incomplete and exhibit cracks. Pistol requires minor work to return to issuable condition but is functional. Pistols may contain commercial parts.

Auction Grade (Sales will to be determined by auctioning the pistol). The condition of the auction pistol will be described when posted for auction.
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Now, not one of the people who received these in the first round reported seeing any rust, despite that being in the description. Most could not discern any "pitting" either.
Some of the rack grades were missing parts like plunger tube springs, but were usually missing grip panels.

There was a thread here from some one who had gotten either e Filed or Service grade, but I'm not finding it. Was an outstanding purchase.
 
CapnMac said:
Even ones disassembled and gauged by talented gunsmiths and any sub-standard parts replaced with new?
The people buying examples from the auctions disagree with you, and are paying some large money for exceptional examples of these.
Here's the grading scheme:

Now, not one of the people who received these in the first round reported seeing any rust, despite that being in the description. Most could not discern any "pitting" either.
Some of the rack grades were missing parts like plunger tube springs, but were usually missing grip panels.

There was a thread here from some one who had gotten either e Filed or Service grade, but I'm not finding it. Was an outstanding purchase.
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As I said, I understand some people may be happy with them, but the descriptions are enough to turn me off, as are the prices.

The Brits call motorcycles like this "bitsa's", bits of this, bits of that. No thank you.
 
CapnMac said:
Even ones disassembled and gauged by talented gunsmiths and any sub-standard parts replaced with new?
The people buying examples from the auctions disagree with you, and are paying some large money for exceptional examples of these.
Here's the grading scheme:

Now, not one of the people who received these in the first round reported seeing any rust, despite that being in the description. Most could not discern any "pitting" either.
Some of the rack grades were missing parts like plunger tube springs, but were usually missing grip panels.

There was a thread here from some one who had gotten either e Filed or Service grade, but I'm not finding it. Was an outstanding purchase.
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Too, as we *most* so well have learned - barring the odd exceptions - if you think something is overpriced.... wait a while and then try paying for it if finding it for sale at all.

These may have been pieced together, former G.I. guns but they are former G.I. guns none the less and it sure ain't gonna happen again.

Same goes for the Garands. Cracks me up when fellas vacillate over buying one of those if they can afford it.

Just keep twitching over it and time will sort your decision making out for you. Ask any of us who dawdled over ClassIII in the day.

Todd.
 
Here's the service grade Remington Rand w/ Colt replacement slide I got from the CMP last year. Price wise it's pretty hard to find a USGI gun for any less. Like the CMP Garands if you don't like what you get you can sell it and make a couple of bucks. Mine is not for sale and if/when they open up for second time buyers I will get another. 1C6AA8A3-4120-49C3-BED2-FC675EE5CE1A_1_201_a.jpeg
 
Let’s see $750 for a Service Grade Garand or $1050 for a Service Grade 1911...

ummm...

Easy choice for me. Garand.

That being said seeings how I already own a Garand and would like to have a WWII 1911 for the history only, I could see buying a Rack Grade.
 
CapnMac said:
Even ones disassembled and gauged by talented gunsmiths and any sub-standard parts replaced with new?
The people buying examples from the auctions disagree with you, and are paying some large money for exceptional examples of these.
Here's the grading scheme:

Now, not one of the people who received these in the first round reported seeing any rust, despite that being in the description. Most could not discern any "pitting" either.
Some of the rack grades were missing parts like plunger tube springs, but were usually missing grip panels.

There was a thread here from some one who had gotten either e Filed or Service grade, but I'm not finding it. Was an outstanding purchase.
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Might have been my post. My only complaint is I got a 1970s slide with no roll mark. Other than that, no complaints. Gun is tight. Shoots good groups from the bench. Aftermarket mags have worked well thus far. No wear marks on any part when I first got it. No blemishes/cosmetic problems.

I let my teenage son shoot it and he complained that it was heavy (after shooting a plastic fantastic). A friend standing nearby said "That's the weight of history." And that's why I bought it.
 
I had a chance to look at a field grade that a guy bought last summer. It looked OK, trigger was pretty heavy, but the buyer was happy.

The market sets the price and I think each round is selling out. IMO you could get a better 1911 for the same money but it won't be official.
 
D.B. Cooper said:
Might have been my post. My only complaint is I got a 1970s slide with no roll mark.
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I really dig some of that contract-parts stuff. Used to make a decent turn of profit being able to identify them among other folk's cast-off 1911 parts. One of my favorite 1911s has an 80's IMI slide on it and the contract *Match* parts used to be the real score at shows.

Todd.
 
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CapnMac said:
Even ones disassembled and gauged by talented gunsmiths and any sub-standard parts replaced with new?
The people buying examples from the auctions disagree with you, and are paying some large money for exceptional examples of these.
Here's the grading scheme:

Now, not one of the people who received these in the first round reported seeing any rust, despite that being in the description. Most could not discern any "pitting" either.
Some of the rack grades were missing parts like plunger tube springs, but were usually missing grip panels.

There was a thread here from some one who had gotten either e Filed or Service grade, but I'm not finding it. Was an outstanding purchase.
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I picked up a service grade first time around. Colt slide and frame, numbers don’t match but left the plant same month, Oct 1941 if memory serves me. Good tight gun, no rust, no pitting. Accurate and shoots great. Not as pretty as my Les Baer, but it has history and a story to tell
 
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Could somebody explain the differences between "Field Grade" and "Service Grade" Garands?
Also, with respect to the bore, what is meant by "bright" or "dark"?
Thanks.
 
Sometimes it's nearly impossible to tell the difference between Field and Service. The CMP almost always underpromises and over delivers. If I get a chance at another I may go Rack.

As far as choosing between a Garand and 1911 you can get 8 Garands a year every year. So far it's 1 1911 period. One of these days I'm going to get to the CMP store and hand pick myself another Garand.
 
I got one of the very first ones out last go round. I was offered a service grade take it or leave it. I received a 45RR frame with an early Colt slide and a mixed bag of GI parts. She was an A marked, reparked rebuild. She is a shooter and that's all. If I was allowed would I put in for another? Nope... I guess the Garands spoiled me as I got some really nice rifles over the past years from CMP...
 
JTHunter said:
Also, with respect to the bore, what is meant by "bright" or "dark"?
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My understanding is that "bright" means it's shiny and reflects light, "dark" means that it isn't and doesn't. A metal surface that's shiny is clean and smooth, ie not corroded, pitted or rusted, and wrt to rifling, the grooves aren't fouled. A dark bore may just be dirty, but without a borescope you don't really know until you're got it in hand and start working on it. With a firearm this old a bore rated as "dark" is not a good sign because over time a bore that was just dirty to start with and isn't cleaned becomes corroded.
 
wiscoaster said:
My understanding is that "bright" means it's shiny and reflects light, "dark" means that it isn't and doesn't. A metal surface that's shiny is clean and smooth, ie not corroded, pitted or rusted, and wrt to rifling, the grooves aren't fouled. A dark bore may just be dirty, but without a borescope you don't really know until you're got it in hand and start working on it. With a firearm this old a bore rated as "dark" is not a good sign because over time a bore that was just dirty to start with and isn't cleaned becomes corroded.
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Yup.^^^^^^^

I generally go with *bright* meaning new or as-new and anything else being anything else from sharing an external finish to pitting with all that may be in between.

I generally go with *crisp* meaning sharp edges on the lands.

Todd.
 
Jimbo80 said:
Here's the service grade Remington Rand w/ Colt replacement slide I got from the CMP last year. Price wise it's pretty hard to find a USGI gun for any less. Like the CMP Garands if you don't like what you get you can sell it and make a couple of bucks. Mine is not for sale and if/when they open up for second time buyers I will get another.View attachment 969060
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Are you sure you could sell that pistol for a small profit?
 
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