In my neck of the woods recently 30-30 isnt even available anymore and when it is, it is the same price as 30-06, .270 win, 308 etc at a buck a round or more. 44 mag is available in semi jacket soft points, lead and fmjs are all anywhere from 25-40 per box of 50 but also available in store. In my experience the cheapest 44 mag was cheaper than the cheapest 30-30 but that might not be the same for everyone.
Still didn't answer my question. The discussion was bullets of the same weight but different starting diameters.
From personal experience with both bullets I'd take the 130gr .308 Speer bullet that Risky business is using over a Sierra 130gr .277.The .270 130 will have a bigger azz than the .30 in length, but less so in diameter. .270/130 for elk? Maybe. .30/130 for elk=
The origin of your statement was expansion kills sd. If we are to cherry pick, 1, I'd not lead with a varmint bullet for heavier game as was implied, 2, not a big fan of .277 But since that's where we are= 129 lrx, 130 gmx, 130 sst (if we want to match bullet construction), 130 interbond, 130 pro hunter, 130 t/ttsx, 130 partition, 130 btip, 130 etip, 130 a-frame, 130 scirocco..... Not even getting into norma or Berger here. We could even go to the 6.8 spc accubonds etc and drop the .30 too. You'll have a hard time convincing me that a .30 130 gr varmint bullet is better for anything of stronger constitution than deer than any of the above mentioned pills.
I suppose "IF YOU CHERRY PICK"
I didn't cherry pick I literally referenced the 130gr Speer FN that Risky business used (not a varmint bullet BTW) and a 130gr 270 that I had personal experience with.
Yep BULLET CONSTRUCTION makes those better than the 130 Sierra dad used to use not SD as their SD is the same.
Maybe you should educate yourself.
I agree. I missed the context of your statement.
I understand you are talking about the 130 hot cor and at slower speeds it does its job on deer quite well, I will still reference it and the 110s as varmint bullets as they are on the LIGHT for caliber side, and the hot core is neither a mono not bonded (albeit pseudo bonded by speer's advertisement, I've blown enough of them apart to know the difference between real bonding vs hot cor). At slower speeds, many varmint bullets will hold together well enough, and in the .30-30/aac class of cartridges it is a great combination. Upon expansion, shorter bullets will have a harder time holding together/tracking straight than longer bullets, thus sd is not thrown out the window, the only neutralizers of sd are premium construction, i.e. partition, mono, bonded, as the pieces will penetrate farther than traditional c&c bullets of equal weight.
You're entitled to do dumb things I guess, but the 130 Speer FP is not in the same class as the 110-130 varmint bullets.
Not true at all holding together is totally dependent on bullet construction and long bullets are more likely to tumble and deflect than short fat ones.
Damn it was a long trip around the barn but yes for the third time
From experience I'd absolutely count on THAT ONE and the 180 .308 RN I use in my Krag.
