Any probs shipping ffl to ffl from FL to NY state?

NY isn’t a problem unless you have magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. Then it’s a felony.

All joking aside, you can ship most any handgun to a NY FFL. But for the person to receive it from their FFL they have to get it on their permit. And NY has some stipulations on what you can and can’t get on your permit.

The above mentioned magazine limit is a big one. But mostly just watch for the weight limit. A person cannot own a handgun in New York if it weighs more than 50 ounces unloaded. Desert eagles and certain boutique target guns fall into this trap.

Here is a link to a website that explains every detail if you have the time to read through:
https://www.governor.ny.gov/sites/g...ve/assets/documents/Pistolsbannedfeatures.pdf

Yeah, it's a bit of a hassle on the buyer's end because in order to get the gun on their permit they have to submit the paperwork to the Sheriff's office, wait for a judge to sign off, and then get the "coupon" to give to the FFL in order to take possession of the gun. Ironically, COVID has made that a little bit easier (but not faster) in my county. They now do it by mail instead of requiring two in-person visits to the Sheriff's office.

The judge's signature part is the most pointless and aggravating part of the whole procedure. The judges aren't actually reviewing anything -- just routinely signing forms to satisfy some outdated legal mumbo-jumbo that probably dates back to the 1911 Sullivan Act and political corruption in Old New York. For a while, the permit offices were allowed to use a rubber-stamp of a judge's signature to satisfy the requirement, but then somebody somewhere abused the privilege, and that was the end of that.

Many shops in FL (mine included) won't ship to NY or California at all.

Jimbo80 said:

Many shops in FL (mine included) won't ship to NY or California at all.

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There in is the BIG question.

Will your FFL ship to NY and will the NY FFL be willing to take it. ??Other than that it is the BUYERS issue between him and HIS FFL.

Don't know if I was clear or not in my previous post, but there is no additional paperwork for an FFL shipping a handgun to New York State. All the hassle is on the buyer's end.

I am an FFL 08 and send a few guns each moth to Calfornia. I registered with the California DOJ and it takes me merely minutes to get a shipment approved but having dealt with many FFL dealers I can understand that the average FFL will be overwhelmed with it. An FFL can send magazines with more than ten rounds to a N.Y. FFL dealer since NY dealers on their premises are exempt from the hi cap mag ban, they can sell to licensed persons and active law enforcement.

toivo said:

All the hassle is on the buyer's end.

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I think a lot of that hassle bounces back on the sender in the form of refunds and returns.

Jimbo80 said:

I think a lot of that hassle bounces back on the sender in the form of refunds and returns.

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The process just involves the buyer doing paperwork and back-and-forthing between the sheriff's office and the FFL's place -- nothing that would require a return. No one with a valid handgun permit gets denied for a purchase of a legal handgun. You just have to do the paperwork and wait. The receiving FFL will always make sure the buyer has a valid pistol permit before agreeing to receive the shipment.

Again, there's no hassle to the shipper.

I can't imagine my boss would pass on NY and Cali sales if there weren't issues. I'll ask him next time I see him.

Jimbo80 said:

I can't imagine my boss would pass on NY and Cali sales if there weren't issues. I'll ask him next time I see him.

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Some people pass on NY sales because they aren't sure what firearms are legal. The NY definition of "assault weapon" confuses some people. For long guns, it's actually just what the old Fed definition was, minus one feature. Now if it has a detachable mag, it can't have anything else.

For handguns it's no mags over 10 rounds, no magazine that attaches outside the grip, no threaded barrels, no secondary grips or barrel shrouds, nothing over 50 ounces unloaded weight. In other words, all standard "traditional" handguns are legal as long as they come with a magazine that doesn't hold more than ten rounds. It's not like Mass or Cali where the gun has to on an "approved" list. And again, any NY FFL knows what's legal and what isn't and wouldn't agree to receive something that isn't. They don't want the headaches either.

Jimbo80 said:

I think a lot of that hassle bounces back on the sender in the form of refunds and returns.

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That can easily happen with California sales if a firearm is sent without DOJ approval number, or a gun that isn't California approved. In California a dealer cannot accept a firearm without the approval number that has to be applied for before shipment. I am adding a print out of the DOJ approval to the shipment to facilitate things on the receiving end.

With that I have more than exhausted my legal obligations as a Texan .

When I left in the mid 70s it took about 15 minutes to find any kind of gun you wanted in NYC. No hassle at all. Times have sure changed

FFL dealers can be in possession of any firearm as long as their particular license allows it. Shipping falls into the same category, minus a pre-requisite that may be imposed on the seller to announce the shipment to the state (like California) prior to the shipment. As for civilian ownership we have reached a whole new discussion. I know New York mimics California in many ways so if you were to be a police officer then most purchase requirements and restrictions may not apply to you.

My dad lived in the Catskills and he just preferred to buy locally or have one ordered for him by a dealer.

Boogaloo Bungalow said:

FFL dealers can be in possession of any firearm as long as their particular license allows it. Shipping falls into the same category, minus a pre-requisite that may be imposed on the seller to announce the shipment to the state (like California) prior to the shipment. As for civilian ownership we have reached a whole new discussion. I know New York mimics California in many ways so if you were to be a police officer then most purchase requirements and restrictions may not apply to you.

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Isn't that pretty much much I pointed out just a little more detailed only two posts above?

becket said:

I shipped thru my ffl OCE; now there’s a “no California shipping ‘ on my listings and for good reason. The total hours back and forth paperwork that eventually has to be signed off of for each handgun by the reviewing DOJ office was a total pain. My ffl is a friend and that’s the only reason he did it once for me....

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Huh?
It takes me a whopping 90 seconds to print out a California Firearm Shipment Verification form.....if I'm slow.
I type in my FFL#, then the receiving dealers CL#, number of handguns or long guns, then submit......spits out a page to include in the box.

If it took hours.....he's a moron.

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If it took hours.....he's a moron.[/QUOTE]

Or a typical $10@hr retail employee.

Nope. I’ve shipped a few things to FFLs in NY. It’s actually pretty painless and easy.

Jimbo80 said:

I can't imagine my boss would pass on NY and Cali sales if there weren't issues. I'll ask him next time I see him.

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I had an FFL once tell me (I forgot where they were based from) they wouldn’t ship to NY just in principle.

toivo said:

Some people pass on NY sales because they aren't sure what firearms are legal. The NY definition of "assault weapon" confuses some people. For long guns, it's actually just what the old Fed definition was, minus one feature. Now if it has a detachable mag, it can't have anything else.

For handguns it's no mags over 10 rounds, no magazine that attaches outside the grip, no threaded barrels, no secondary grips or barrel shrouds, nothing over 50 ounces unloaded weight. In other words, all standard "traditional" handguns are legal as long as they come with a magazine that doesn't hold more than ten rounds. It's not like Mass or Cali where the gun has to on an "approved" list. And again, any NY FFL knows what's legal and what isn't and wouldn't agree to receive something that isn't. They don't want the headaches either.

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And even that doesn’t matter. If it’s illegal to sell it’s up to the receiving FFL to render it legal or sell to specially licensed persons.

Since I'm not working due to Covid I haven't seen the boss lately to get his reasons but I'm sure it's not the legal aspect. There is not a whole lot of profit in new guns and time spent dealing with any type of issue eats that up pretty quickly. I wouldn't expect the transferring FFL to do anything other than collect their fee and run the background check.

Jimbo80 said:

I wouldn't expect the transferring FFL to do anything other than collect their fee and run the background check.

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In New York, the transferring FFL first has to send/give the buyer a receipt to take to the sheriff's office to get the pistol listed on his permit. Once that part is done, the buyer returns to the FFL with a coupon from the sheriff that allows the buyer to take possession. Most of the burden is on the buyer.

That paperwork for the buyer at the sheriff's office used to be a walk-in-walk-out deal in my country. Now it's a backlog of two to four weeks.