Don't understand the 9mm 1911.

To each his own and I can understand shooting a 9 because it's less expensive. What's concerning is when you are at the range and you have this " I don't like the .45 because of the recoil crowd". I get it if you have wrist problems or arthritis but a young guy bitching about recoil? Something is not right. I guarantee I can keep my shots on target and follow up just as fast with my commander size .45s as one can with a 9. Practice practice. Carry on and shoot what you like and like what you shoot...

I don't really have any desire to own a 9mm 1911, if I wanted a SA locked breech 9mm, I'd just buy a HiPower.

JDeere said:

I guarantee I can keep my shots on target and follow up just as fast with my commander size .45s as one can with a 9. Practice practice.

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Highly doubtful, considering relative skill level and same platform, physics being what they are. Practice with the .45 will yield increased results with the 9mm and it's significantly smaller recoil impulse.

The popularity of the 9 mil. is all about Americans loving anything that is cheaper and requires less work. Look at all of the plastic and alum. guns. We have become of nation of wimps.

Only 1911 I would get would be in 9mm, I have 18 pistols in 9mm and plan on stocking up with one caliber. I have a 1911 in 45 and it has not been shot in 8 years. Why pay twice the price for ammo and half the capacity.

They should call the 45ACP the 45AARP.

Egads all of the caliber A vs. B makes no sense to the person who trusts their lives to their pistol. They're good or bad when you survive a shooting and the other guy does not. Only then will it matter.

Anyway, something that rubs me wrong about that article about the police gunfight... What in the world did the race of the perp have to do with the story? Absolutely nothing. Would they mention it if he were Italian? Polish? Irish? No.

I'm sorry but I just don't get the thread premise of any particular caliber being "too anemic" for any particular "platform". A caliber being "too hot" - ya, that makes sense - the gun can explode. But too anemic? I have a revolver hefty enough to shoot .357 Mag that's chambered in .22LR/WMR. Too anemic for that particular platform? It is what it is. The entire premise of "too anemic" makes no sense. I have a 9 mm 1911 and it shoots just fine and compared to any other 9 mm pistol I don't consider it anemic at all.

Drail said:

The popularity of the 9 mil. is all about Americans loving anything that is cheaper and requires less work. Look at all of the plastic and alum. guns. We have become of nation of wimps.

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Not in my case. I have two 1911s in .45 Auto (at one point I owned four). I also have a .22 TacSol conversion I use on one of them.

I am looking at buying a 9mm 1911 for one simple reason - I have a significant stock of 9mm ammo and would prefer to shoot it with a 1911. That simple.

I'm sure others have equally valid reasons for wanting or owning a 9mm 1911.

Robbins290 said:

They should call the 45ACP the 45AARP.

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Drail said:

The popularity of the 9 mil. is all about Americans loving anything that is cheaper and requires less work.

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Maybe it's because I can nearly shoot twice as much 9mm as 45acp and easier to recover and stay on target. Just like one can shoot twice as much 22lr as 9mm. Nah, that couldn't be it.

And I was raised to work smarter not harder, whenever possible.

Drail said:

Look at all of the plastic and alum. guns.

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Good thing the airline industry embraced aluminum and plastic parts, but that has no bearing on any other industry, right?

Have fun humping your M14 with limited load out of ammunition. I'll stick with my aluminum and polymer M4 with 556 and twice the load out of ammunition. But our military is just a bunch of wimps, right?

...or holding your pants up with your specialty gun belt and all steel CCW carrying 7-8 rounds of 45acp with a spare magazine to balance it all out.

Drail said:

We have become of nation of wimps.

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Yes, we have. However, it has nothing to do with caliber choice and everything to do with moral alignment, failed family structure and forgotten history. But, I digress.

Drail said:

The popularity of the 9 mil. is all about Americans loving anything that is cheaper and requires less work. Look at all of the plastic and alum. guns. We have become of nation of wimps.

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OR (although I'm not disputing your fact for some subset of the shooters, of course that's true) they have spent time with all the calibers and value efficiency. In price, in wear and tear, in getting more good hits in less time.

Perhaps it's just the dinosaurs slavishly sticking to what once worked and is largely outdated and failing to adapt to the times and technologly.

Of course I still enjoy my SAA revolvers and .45 and 10mm (which of course is a big time newcomer to the 1911 scene, 9mm 1911s have been around for 70 years) 1911s. I just appreciate what's new as well.

Edit: to the OP, if/when I get another 1911 it will be in .38 Super. I've been debating the round long enough and assuming I'm ever able to get powder and primers again I'm looking forward to working up some loads for it.

Personally, if I were to own a 1911 it would be in 45ACP, but that's more due to it being it's original chambering and the magazine well was designed for it. But with the 2011 9mm's that are double stacked they start making a lot more sense for competition and range fun.

The 9mm is the most universally used handgun
caliber around the world. And with the newer ammo
offerings beyond ball it has proven itself for
self defense.

It is easier to shoot in most adequately sized
pistols with bullet placement always better,
even among novice handgunners. And shot
placement is paramount.

If the so-called 1911 design is one's favorite,
than why not a 9mm.

For entertainment, I did enjoy some of the
comments here in favor of the .45 by equating
it to one's manhood.

Don't like or don't understand. It's actually pretty simple, do not buy one.

JR24 said:

9mm 1911s have been around for 70 years)

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Bingo...

Question for all of you ".45 only" guys.

Have you ever shot .38 special out of a .357 mag revolver? Or heavens forbid, own a S&W 17/617 in .22lr?

Because the idea of owning a 9mm 1911 is exactly the same. It's not about not being able to handle recoil. It's that a softer shooting gun lets you make tighter groups, and they're cheaper to shoot to boot.

There's a lot of things I don't 'get.' AR pistols, rifle cartridge handguns, pistol shotguns (think Shockwave.) That is not to say I don't think they should exist. I also favor old crusty, outdated lever-actions, and esoteric cartridges like the .41MAG and .348WCF. As far as 1911's.... I don't get $3000 1911's, they don't make sense to me.

To each his own... jeepers.

brutus51 said:

Maybe yesterday but today it's unobtainium and prices are through the roof. Last week I was at a local range and they just got a shipment of WW 115gr white box.
One box of 100 rounds 55 bucks. Fortunately I didn't need any as I wasn't shooting any 9's that day ( I don't reload 9's). What amazed me was the high cap. shooters inside the range. went through their box of 100 in ten minutes.

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Yeah, but I still see it cheaper than .45 or .40 around here or online.

Wish I could even find primers, I'd be happy to pay extra for a few thousand extras to make my reserve look more happy.

brutus51 said:

Maybe yesterday but today it's unobtainium and prices are through the roof. Last week I was at a local range and they just got a shipment of WW 115gr white box.
One box of 100 rounds 55 bucks. Fortunately I didn't need any as I wasn't shooting any 9's that day ( I don't reload 9's). What amazed me was the high cap. shooters inside the range. went through their box of 100 in ten minutes.

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Cause $55 today is really only $5.50

JR24 said:

Yeah, but I still see it cheaper than .45 or .40 around here or online.

Wish I could even find primers, I'd be happy to pay extra for a few thousand extras to make my reserve look more happy.

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We have to wait and see... That's all we can do. I've seen sellers in gunshows selling a pack of a HUNDRED for over $30 and getting it, so there are reloaders more desperate than you or I

I don't turn my nose up at any cartridge and have guns chambered in most of the common ones, but to me 9x19mm Luger is pretty much the best balanced cartridge out there when it comes to power, shootability, and cost.

Pretty much any gun I buy these days I'll try to get in 9mm first, though since I often buy used guns and often make impulse purchases based on what I find available at the time, some times I end up with guns in other cartridges as well.

brutus51 said:

Why when the platform offers .45ACP, 10mm, 40S&W and America's answer to the punybellum the .38Super, just don't get it.

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I guess 45AARP (thanks @Robbins290) has turned into a big grump from it's older brother the 9mm Parabellum picking on him in the sandbox when they were younger. The 9mm Parabellum has kept in shape, svelte and quick on it's feet over the years while the 45AARP has grown fat around the mid-section and needs a walker to make it to the target.










Now I need to move along as I go and do some more research on the CZ 97b in 45ACP that I plan on buying.