More Gunbroker fees... taxes

My taxes are done. They ask if you have paid tax on all your internet purchases. If not, you must pay when you file. Good luck with that.

NuShootr said:

Why not on internet sales? Mostly because you generally are buying product from a different state when buying online. Also, internet tax in no way helps local businesses at all. The tax is the tax is the tax. And generally, internet prices are far lower than a Mom and Pop B&M shop can afford to sell product at. Yes, you pay less tax on an item if the price is less. Sales tax doesn't help a business prosper at all. If anything, businesses in states with no sales tax (like Delaware) tend to do better, because people will travel there to avoid the taxation in their own state. Living in Southern New Jersey, many people buying big ticket items will go the the same store in DE to purchase. Other than cars and firearms.

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I guess it doesn't matter because soon enough all internet sales will be taxed at the level of the state you live in. If your state has no sales tax you're already paying the state thru other taxes like fuel and property tax. For instance, Delaware has about the same cost of living as WA does and our sales tax is 9% where DE has none.

https://www.ncsl.org/research/fiscal-policy/e-fairness-legislation-overview.aspx
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/cost-of-living-index-by-state

So the bottom line is you pay the tax, one way or the other. Why do you want to put mom and pop's out of business? Do you have something against people in your community making a living? You can't buy a firearm with an out of state DL anyway so your argument makes no sense when applied to buying a firearm.

Has this newish retail tax reduced demand for ammo?

It would be interesting if it created a new max. ceiling on prices.

People who are new to gun ownership probably have little choice in prices, but those others who —Either — ignored advice over the years....or became a bit hysterical from --obsessively—watching the most Graphic tv images “probably can’t” reason quite as well as others.

CoalTrain49 said:

Why do you want to put mom and pop's out of business? Do you have something against people in your community making a living?

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I actually go out of my way to support local businesses, even if it costs me more. And I'll pay even more if the service at the Mom and Pop shop is excellent. In all my shopping habits. I specifically mentioned everything other than firearms and vehicles.

When considering a purchase local or out-of-state (mostly parts or accessories), I consider things like
_ Local availiblity (I found CZ52 firing pins only online)
_ Local price
_ Cost of shipping & handling less versus mileage divided by my car's mpg times price of a gallon of gas

I try to support the local gun stores as much as possible. The powers-that-be want to do to internet sales what they did to mail order sales: inaccurately demonize it as a major source of criminal guns (a myth for both mail order and internet sales). If they can, and they do think they can, they'll shut down internet traffic and then what have we been doing to local gun shops?

Besides, if I have time to spare at some local shops I get to talk with experienced hunters, military combat veterans, et al. who you don't meet in an on-line transaction.

Carl N Brown: Interesting.

I hadn’t thought about a likelihood that “the powers that be” hope to:
A) use a tactical squeeze between demonizing online gun (or ammo) sellers (more future taxes eyeballed in Congress?) and

B) hoping that local gun shops go bankrupt.

NuShootr said:

Taxation is most certainly a problem. I could go into a long tirade about why, but not only would that breech the rules of this site, I'm sure most people can figure it out on their own.

A "Use Tax"? Sounds a lot like the song "Taxman" by The Beatles. Yep, the government will find a way to tax just about anything, won't they? Where does that go on my tax return? (yes, I'm being sarcastic)

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"Use" taxes have been around forever, as long as sales taxes.

NuShootr said:

Taxation is most certainly a problem. I could go into a long tirade about why, but not only would that breech the rules of this site, I'm sure most people can figure it out on their own.

A "Use Tax"? Sounds a lot like the song "Taxman" by The Beatles. Yep, the government will find a way to tax just about anything, won't they? Where does that go on my tax return? (yes, I'm being sarcastic)

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Line 51 of the NJ 1040 "Use Tax Due on Internet, Mail-Order, or Other Out-of-State Purchases (See instructions)" I'd guess you don't prepare your own taxes?

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It's funny. There have been three assumptions made based on what I wrote, despite me actually not saying that I do any of these things.
Assumption #1 is that I don't know the tax code. Assumption #2, that because I wrote that people go to DE to purchase items, tax free, that I do so and often. Assumption #3, that based on assumption #2, I don't support Mom and Pop shops. I encourage people to read more careful and not jump to conclusions without asking questions first. Thanks!

No one said YOU didn't know the tax code, but there are a lot of young folks who do not and may not know what is - and HAS BEEN required - for a long time......

what really frosts me is that the sales tax is on all ebay sales an such even used items by individuals... tax was likely paid when the item was bought then again as it is sold used and nolimit on how many times they can collect taxon used items... damn crooks they are! same with cars n trucks n boats... how many times does the gov think they are entitled to collect taxon the same item?

NuShootr said:

A "Use Tax"?...Where does that go on my tax return? (yes, I'm being sarcastic)

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Line 51 of the New Jersey 1040 Income Tax Form. Its been there for years.

From the 2020 NJ form, Line 51:

Use Tax Due on Internet, Mail-Order, or Other Out-of-State Purchases
(See instructions) If no Use Tax, enter 0.00 ...............................................................................

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Have you been entering zero on line 51 despite owing it? Because if you have that's cheating on your taxes.....

P89DCSS said:

Line 51 of the New Jersey 1040 Income Tax Form. Its been there for years.

From the 2020 NJ form, Line 51:


Have you been entering zero on line 51 despite owing it? Because if you have that's cheating on your taxes.....

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Please consider reading reply #60. Thanks.

tallpaul said:

... how many times does the gov think they are entitled to collect taxon the same item?

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By law, as many times as the item is sold in the specific jurisdiction. Are people just finding out about tax laws they are subjected to? I learned this particular nuance while high school back in the seventies.

NuShootr said:

Please consider reading reply #60. Thanks.

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Well, have you? lol

And welcome to THR!

P89DCSS said:

By law, as many times as the item is sold in the specific jurisdiction. Are people just finding out about tax laws they are subjected to? I learned this particle nuance while high school back in the seventies.

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Sadly, many of these things are not taught in school anymore. College kids are graduating without being able to balance a check book. It has to be taught in the home. And with the current amount of credit card debt in our country, how many people really have a good handle on personal finance and economics?

P89DCSS said:

You'll get over it, lol

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Did you read reply #60 or is this your attempt at being cheeky?

P89DCSS said:

By law, as many times as the item is sold in the specific jurisdiction. Are people just finding out about tax laws they are subjected to? I learned this particular nuance while high school back in the seventies.

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I have known of it for years...never liked it back then either- its BS- tax on income- tax on purchases- taxes on own or leased items...it never ends and its creeping into and onto everything

The point everyone seems to be missing is what happens to all the tax money that is collected?

Interestingly I bought a long gun on Gunbroker just after the first of the year from a seller in another state. The auction even stated they are now required to collect sales tax, yet when I paid for it, I wasn't charged sales tax, only the price of the gun and shipping. Not sure if I just got lucky or the seller isn't enforcing it, or Gunbroker doesn't do it automatically.

George P said:

Most auction sites not only collect sales tax, they also collect 15-20% from BOTH sides of the deal.

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They do?

sales tax notwithstanding, GB charges 6% up to 250, then 3% beyond that, so a single 1k sale would be 37.50- seller only. GB is pretty easy to use, I’ll just skip the sites that try to get 400 dollars out of a 1k trans, whichever ones those may be...

Necessary_Nutrient said:

They do?

sales tax notwithstanding, GB charges 6% up to 250, then 3% beyond that, so a single 1k sale would be 37.50- seller only. GB is pretty easy to use, I’ll just skip the sites that try to get 400 dollars out of a 1k trans, whichever ones those may be...

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The ones who deal in higher end items charge a seller and buyer premium; James Julia, Rock Island, and similar sites

TheBruce said:

... Not sure if I just got lucky or the seller isn't enforcing it, or Gunbroker doesn't do it automatically.

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I think the seller screwed up and you lucked out. It looks like Gunbroker sellers have to pass the cost on to the buyer or they have to pay the state sales tax.