At the present time,we are our own worst enemy.Primers are being bought by some people to put on Gunbroker and reap huge profits.Other people think they need to have at least 50,000 primers on hand.Ammo is the same thing.Powder is also the same thing.I read a post yesterday where a guy bought 3 8 pound jugs of an oddball pistol powder and was asking what it would work in and could he use it for 223?That's just stupid.If you see something like that and you buy it,what have you gained?Not a damn thing.All you did was take it away from the three guys who can use it.We should all stay away from the gougers on GB and let them sit on the primers they scarfed up.Or at least we all get together and say we're not going to pay 40 cents apiece for primers.We should be working together and quit thinking it's the end of the world,screw everybody,I'm buying all I can get.This mess would settle down in two months if we work together.If it stays like it is,it'll level out by 2029.This every man for himself is driving the prices and encouraging the gougers to keep buying and investing.We can fix it by making it a buyer's market,but it will take every one of us working together to do it,and will that happen?Not likely in today's "me first,screw you"world.We have the power to fix it.I have the power to make it worse.
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WVRJ,
You make some great points and would love to see things level off soon.
The sellers seem to get to the primers and grab them all and the people like me who could use some are not able to purchase them.
With all of this talk bout the lee factory crimp die looks like I need to add it to my list of items to be on the look out for , unless somebody knows where to get one .
You make some great points and would love to see things level off soon.
The sellers seem to get to the primers and grab them all and the people like me who could use some are not able to purchase them.
With all of this talk bout the lee factory crimp die looks like I need to add it to my list of items to be on the look out for , unless somebody knows where to get one .
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KeeperOfScrolls
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I think it's only getting worse unfortunately. With working at a BPS location, we generally keep prices right on market with MSRP, or a bit lower usually, but I've done a majority of my shopping for reloading gear online and it has been a costly one to get into reloading now. I've been quite lucky with midway and completed what I needed, but as a few other have said, I do see 4 set Lee dies being resold for $80+ on selling platforms when in reality they're around 30 bucks. When we open our doors in the morning, we've been having 40-50 people lined up waiting for the ammo, and especially any form of powders or primers. It's consistent every single morning -- and I don't blame a majority whom are just wanting to have some for a little self-inventory, but the majority we receive are unfortunately the ones reselling it at those incredibly marked up prices due to the demand right now.
From what I've asked, and been told, there's not necessarily a shortage of primers right now, it's merely that there's an incredibly high demand for ammunition and the manufactures have to use their stock of manufactured primers for that ammunition as a priority. Then, they'll ship out "left overs" to retailers, orders, etc.
From what I've asked, and been told, there's not necessarily a shortage of primers right now, it's merely that there's an incredibly high demand for ammunition and the manufactures have to use their stock of manufactured primers for that ammunition as a priority. Then, they'll ship out "left overs" to retailers, orders, etc.
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It sure makes you feel better when you gather your nuts before the winter, while they are plentiful. I’ll have to assume it beats running out or even thinking you might.
that’s the real truth in the matter.
Klaatu Barada Nikto
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Craziness abounds right now.
I loaded 450 45 Auto rounds yesterday. I usually use Win 231 for 45 and 9mm. Since I'm low on SPP I've been loading a lot of 45 Auto because I'm flush with LPP and LRP for 308 and stuff. But I'm down to less than 3 pounds of Win 231.
So today I'm on Midsouth Shooters Supply and they have a lot of powder in stock, or had. I found some VihtaV 3N37. But before I added it to my cart I checked out load data for it because I seem to remember it's a good powder for 45 and 9. But it's always been expensive so I've never been a huge fan.
Found it would work within less than 20 seconds, went to add it but now it was out of stock.
Refreshed via "only in stock" and a whole different bunch of powders showed up. Hit refresh again and the VihtaV 3N37 showed up again, I was able to add it to the cart and check out this time.
But... Like @WVRJ said is true, people are buying stuff without even knowing if it will suit their needs.
Just found Fed Small Pistol Match Primers on LG Outdoors, for $335 for 1000!
Always thought Brick & Mortar stores couldn't Price Gouge?
I loaded 450 45 Auto rounds yesterday. I usually use Win 231 for 45 and 9mm. Since I'm low on SPP I've been loading a lot of 45 Auto because I'm flush with LPP and LRP for 308 and stuff. But I'm down to less than 3 pounds of Win 231.
So today I'm on Midsouth Shooters Supply and they have a lot of powder in stock, or had. I found some VihtaV 3N37. But before I added it to my cart I checked out load data for it because I seem to remember it's a good powder for 45 and 9. But it's always been expensive so I've never been a huge fan.
Found it would work within less than 20 seconds, went to add it but now it was out of stock.
Refreshed via "only in stock" and a whole different bunch of powders showed up. Hit refresh again and the VihtaV 3N37 showed up again, I was able to add it to the cart and check out this time.
But... Like @WVRJ said is true, people are buying stuff without even knowing if it will suit their needs.
Just found Fed Small Pistol Match Primers on LG Outdoors, for $335 for 1000!
Always thought Brick & Mortar stores couldn't Price Gouge?
Yea 50k primers is a pretty nice cushion,but I can’t imagine having a significant amount invested in equipment and not having 50k primers On hand. Most of mine say $23 a box on them. I don’t buy over $25.
However at $200/1000 it’s pretty tempting to part ways with some of my stash.
Lee factory crimp dies are on Gunbroker en masse if you want to pay as much for one of them as a full set of Lee dies used to cost.I have a few of them,and I'm almost finished with my winter time reloading if somebody really needs one to borrow.Luckily,I'm using components I had on hand because I've bought a little here,a little there since Sandy Hook.
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One should not use credit to "invest." I think that's how the 1929 Stock Market crashed. It's a good thing that bad decisions come with consequences. Otherwise, we would keep making the same bad decisions.
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On all kinds of products.
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If you just had one case of one brand of SPP, LPP, SRP, LRP in Standard and magnum thats 40k already. Add shotgun, BP, BR and a few different brands to test with and you can get beyond 50k quickly.
Although I agree, that is a concept held by a tiny minority. Many people that don’t have any credit cards still have a mortgage.
Shak3s1977
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Normal prices are still out there, but it's getting pretty slim. I recently picked up this for $200. I had to drive a little, but I got a great deal.
I also ordered another Dillon 550 directly from Dillon with a 38/357 conversion. Showed up 6 days later even though it shows 6 weeks backorder.
I grabbed these for $80.00 38/357 dies. Saved the shipping and tax and they look brand new.
I also ordered another Dillon 550 directly from Dillon with a 38/357 conversion. Showed up 6 days later even though it shows 6 weeks backorder.
I grabbed these for $80.00 38/357 dies. Saved the shipping and tax and they look brand new.
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Not even remotely equivalent.
Elkins45
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You think new shooters are the ones buying those presses? I think you are wrong.
Reloadron
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Over the years I have accumulated a bunch of the Lee FCDs which I really have no use for. I did try them in a few calibers and personally never saw any merit to using them. That includes straight wall rifle like the 444 Marlin to all sorts of bottle neck rifle and several handgun cartridges. Lee does make good stuff but the FCD never tripped my trigger. I have a little Lee O Press which I like and a few Lee Progressives I haven't used in years. Yeah, this is like following Sandy Hook where everything gun related was scarce.
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According to the head of sales at Fiocchi, they do not expect to get all of the current backorders filled until late this year so they are not taking any new ones and primers are going to ammo production, not to reloaders
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Ghost backorders! the demand is fluid. 1 prick and the bubble burst !
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You also made the comment about saving up components here and there starting after Sandy Hook. Well guess what bub, I did the same thing over a four + year period on primers. The pic doesn't show the case of CCI SPP I bought last spring for $200.00
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Yea sandy hook was the clearest sign we have ever had that they want to take everything firearms away from you. But during those days you could get a sweet deal on anything but an “assault rifle” Ammo was tight, but I don’t remember something like 30-30 or even .270 30-06 types being off the shelves. Primers went to $65 powder $45. You could buy reloading equipment all day and components were available if you weren’t hunting something specific.
I used to think people were crazy who thought it was fake, but I’m pretty sure now it was either fake or the deep state actually did kill the kids. Once you see Soros sell out of his firearms related holdings You’ll know it was the last chance to buy.
CoalCrackerAl
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I put 2 lee c shape press's on ebay i had not been using. I got a 120.00 for each of them. I paid around 30.00 each new.
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Be careful spouting that! Some here will call you a GOUGER...................
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Call me crazy, but I think that 8,000,000 former non gun owners suddenly deciding to buy guns is more related to pandemic, riots and a realization that they may need to defend themselves than it is about taking up a relaxing new hobby.
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my thought exactly, my Seattle friend is a typical example. His restaurant is across the street from the famous CHAZ. He bought a G2C and 500 rounds, and shot a mag through it (I told him to function test at the very least) and thats it.... zero interest in anything else firearm related. Him and all his buddies.
my point, we as a gun community is doing this to ourselves by hyping and gouging and buying
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I’d bet most of the demand for presses etc. comes from hobbyists, not noobs. Noobs are mostly bemused by the fact that they can’t walk into Academy and pick up a few boxes of 9mm, 40, or 223 for their new Glock or AR. But there’s a ton of shooters out there who partake recreationally, who have been sort of maybe intending to get into reloading “one of these days.” All of a sudden ammo dried up and without researching a bunch they all decide now it’s an emergency and they better grab whatever press, dies, etc they can find. So they pay out the nose.... and probably haven’t yet figured out that presses are one thing, but primers and brass and bullets are as hard to find (maybe harder) than loaded ammo.
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