I'd sure love to carry my P365 comfortably.

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With peace of mind, that is. I like appendix carry, and I love my 365. I shoot it well. I just have that lingering feeling in the back of my mind that it's too light a pull. I don't have a problem with trigger discipline or anything, but I don't have an LE or military level of drill under my belt (so to speak) either. And I don't want to carry with an external safety engaged, for all the reasons people don't want manual safeties.

So most of the time I end up carrying my XDE 45. Which is a great gun, and carries well, though I'd prefer a little less weight. But I don't shoot it as well - I really would prefer the consistent trigger pull rather than DA/SA. And more capacity would be nice. But it eliminates the nagging worry of snagging the trigger, or of whether the adrenaline dump of an emergency situation could lead to a premature or unintended discharge.

I know this ground has been trod a million times in various ways, and I'm aware that the issue can be controversial...but, work is cancelled due to snow, and what else would I want to do but jot down thoughts about my carry strategy!

My brain produces the following possibilities:
1. Carry the 365 more. Continue to drill and take training regularly, get comfortable, channel that voice toward proper caution and discipline.
2. Just be a DA/SA guy for carry, and train and drill to get as good as I can.
3. Go for a striker with more trigger weight - trying a 43X with the NY spring is very tempting. Or something else DAO or SAO. P290rs? Or, even work on the 365, find a way to get just an extra pound on the trigger.

I've received very widely varying opinions from instructors and a couple of veteran federal agents I know...thought I'd expose this to the collective wisdom of the group. Any thoughts are welcome.
 
You're right, no single right answer. For me, it would be choice no. 1. I prefer picking the gun you shoot well and learn the trigger. For me that has been Glocks. I have a 19s, 23s and a 43X, and all are quite consistent. Despite the many who like DA/SA, I just couldn't adjust to the changing trigger pull and sold my SIG P220 and avoid those that use that system. Also I've found that I really dislike very heavy triggers and triggers with long take-up. So despite having quite a few handguns, most all of my carry and defensive practice is with the Glock trigger that I know pretty well. No doubt you'll get other suggestions, do what works for you.
 
I opted for the 365 with a safety. I don't have an issue with Glocks and most other striker fired guns without a safety as long as they are carried in a proper holster. But some of the striker fired guns have a trigger so short, and light that a 1911 style thumb safety is a good idea. I also have a couple of Smith M&P's with after market triggers. I wouldn't have installed those triggers if those guns didn't have a safety. Those Smith's, my 365, and my Sig M17 all have lighter trigger pulls than my 1911's. Not many would advise a 1911 carried without the safety engaged. That is why the military specified a safety for the new M17 and M18 pistols.
 
I use SIG ambi kydex holster (a good deal for $20); allows me to carry IWB or AWB, LH or RH. No finger on the trigger until the gun clears the holster and no rush to put it back carelessly.
 
I tend to listen to lingering voices in my head when it comes to safety. You know how perfect things are supposed to work and you understand how things can get screwed up during extreme stress. I personally don’t like the Sig and the trigger is one of the reasons.

Carrying 3 to 4 o’clock is not an option?
 
My list of preferences as far as CCW and trigger type and manual safeties are concerned:

1) Kahr CM9 DAO/S&W Model 638 DAO with no safety
2) Colt Commander/Browning Hi-Power SAO with a manual safety
3) CZ P07 SAO with a manual safety
4) Ruger SR9c Striker Fired with a manual safety
5) HK VP9 Striker Fired with no safety
6) CZ P01 DA/SA with no safety
7) SIG P229 DA/SA with no safety
 
If I were you, I would look around for a Ruger LC9 (no S) model. Longer, heavier DAO hammer fired trigger. Has a safety but it is easy enough to leave off. They were discontinued a few years back so finding one may not be easy. Roughly the same size but not capacity of the P365 as well.
 
I don't see the problem? Single clip holster (which many/most AIWB holsters are) or even two.

Holster off the body, ensuring proper retention and an object free holster.

Clip holster to belt.

LEAVE IT ALONE, if you have to disarm, take the holster off too.

???

Profit.


Unless you are concerned the Sig is gonna go off without anyone pulling the trigger, and if that's the case then it's time to find a new platform.

OR, I believe the 365 offers a thumb safety.
 
Yep, that is all perfectly rational. The problem is between my ears, I'm afraid. The voices of my grandfather and his brothers who taught me to shoot, and who made sure I was cautious to a fault.

My brother-in-law the federal agent/combat vet chimed in with, "well, keep practicing and confirming good habits til you're totally comfortable carrying it, and until then, carry whatever you ARE comfortable with." Made me think maybe this isn't exactly rocket science.

JR24 said:
I don't see the problem? Single clip holster (which many/most AIWB holsters are) or even two.

Holster off the body, ensuring proper retention and an object free holster.

Clip holster to belt.

LEAVE IT ALONE, if you have to disarm, take the holster off too.

???

Profit.


Unless you are concerned the Sig is gonna go off without anyone pulling the trigger, and if that's the case then it's time to find a new platform.

OR, I believe the 365 offers a thumb safety.
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Nsomniac said:
Yep, that is all perfectly rational. The problem is between my ears, I'm afraid. The voices of my grandfather and his brothers who taught me to shoot, and who made sure I was cautious to a fault.

My brother-in-law the federal agent/combat vet chimed in with, "well, keep practicing and confirming good habits til you're totally comfortable carrying it, and until then, carry whatever you ARE comfortable with." Made me think maybe this isn't exactly rocket science.
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Hey, that's perfectly fair, and commendable that you are being rational about it. I did something stupid when I was younger and had an ND and only carried DA/SA for a number of years (the ND was actually with a 1911, I don't lower hammers on live chambers anymore) as a result.

One thing that helped me get comfortable with carrying Glocks was to carry it cocked, but no round chambered, for a while until my heart caught up with my logical brain and realized that it wasn't gonna shoot off in the holster.

Of course, as I suggested, with striker guns I still holster off body and then clip on, so I'm still more paranoid than many.

Perhaps finding a 365 with a thumb safety is a good "stepping stone" option.
 
My carry rotation includes a Sig P365XL w/ manual safety and a HK P30SK DA/SA with NO safety. I carry both appendix in a Kydex holster with the trigger guard fully covered by the holster. When I holster the P365 it is with safety on and thumb on rear of slide (more on that in a minute).. once holstered the safety is switched off. When I holster my P30SK it is first decocked and then
hammer is thumbed as it goes in the holster (this the reason I thumb the rear of the slide on the P365).

I shoot both guns equally well and both fit me really well, but to be honest, I prefer the P30SK and find myself carrying it more often. I just like the feel of it in my hand and have become a big fan of the DA/SA action.
 
Most Sig trigger jobs I’ve heard of involve making the trigger lighter and smoother, not heavier, but I suppose anything’s possible.

My P365s all have manual safeties. It’s been easy enough adapting my drawstroke to include a thumb sweep, deactivating the safety. Not one of the options you listed, but do consider the thumb safety if you are concerned about the trigger pull weight. If the thumb safety is a non-starter, I’d consider another platform.
 
Nsomniac said:
The problem is between my ears, I'm afraid.
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Sorry, we cannot help you with that one. There are professionals that can help.. :neener:

I have no qualms dropping one in my pocket with a sticky holster. I don't own the safety version.
 
My 365 is always in my pocket. No holster. Of course I’m not hung up on the idea that I have to have a round in the chamber.
 
Well I went through a similar thing so I'll share my story. IWB between 3:30-5:00 doesn't work well for me, I've tried several guns, belts, and holsters and my back always hurts after an hour or so. AIWB on the other hand is very comfortable for me even with heavy handguns. At the time I finally gave up on IWB carry on the side, my carry guns were a P938 and a j-frame. I chose to appendix carry the j-frame because I liked the idea of a revolver's DA trigger pull, and eventually stepped up to a SP101 to have .357 mag capability and added accuracy of the heavier steel frame. That gun didn't work out for me for either of those 2 reasons, so I sold it and tried appendix carrying the SIG but I never could get used to the fact that there was a fully energized trigger pointing at my thigh. One day I was driving and had sat on my phone by accident instead of clipping it to my dash like normal, and when it started vibrating under my thigh I thought I had shot myself! Stupid, I know, but I realized I'd probably never get comfortable carrying a SAO gun at my appendix, so I decided to tried out a Kahr MK9 based on suggestions that their trigger pulls are very revolver-like.

I carried that gun for a year and while it shot like a dream I still was constantly worried about the gun randomly going off in a kydex holster (yeah I know). While people often say a Kahr has a double action trigger, they're still striker guns with 90% or so of the striker energized and the pull still isn't nearly as long or hard as a true double action. So after a year I sold the Kahr and picked up a Kimber K6s. I have 100% peace of mind when I'm carrying a revolver, and giving up a few rounds to a semi-auto is worth it to me. I did consider the XDe, as my nightstand gun at the time was CZ 75b, but another of my quirks is I like a smooth handle against my skin when I'm carrying and I was concerned the stippling of a polymer gun would bother me.
 
Thanks for the benefit of your experience.
A similar thought process leaves me very attracted to the idea of trying the Sig P290RS.
And now thinking about the LC9, as mentioned above.

bassjam said:
Well I went through a similar thing so I'll share my story. IWB between 3:30-5:00 doesn't work well for me, I've tried several guns, belts, and holsters and my back always hurts after an hour or so. AIWB on the other hand is very comfortable for me even with heavy handguns. At the time I finally gave up on IWB carry on the side, my carry guns were a P938 and a j-frame. I chose to appendix carry the j-frame because I liked the idea of a revolver's DA trigger pull, and eventually stepped up to a SP101 to have .357 mag capability and added accuracy of the heavier steel frame. That gun didn't work out for me for either of those 2 reasons, so I sold it and tried appendix carrying the SIG but I never could get used to the fact that there was a fully energized trigger pointing at my thigh. One day I was driving and had sat on my phone by accident instead of clipping it to my dash like normal, and when it started vibrating under my thigh I thought I had shot myself! Stupid, I know, but I realized I'd probably never get comfortable carrying a SAO gun at my appendix, so I decided to tried out a Kahr MK9 based on suggestions that their trigger pulls are very revolver-like.

I carried that gun for a year and while it shot like a dream I still was constantly worried about the gun randomly going off in a kydex holster (yeah I know). While people often say a Kahr has a double action trigger, they're still striker guns with 90% or so of the striker energized and the pull still isn't nearly as long or hard as a true double action. So after a year I sold the Kahr and picked up a Kimber K6s. I have 100% peace of mind when I'm carrying a revolver, and giving up a few rounds to a semi-auto is worth it to me. I did consider the XDe, as my nightstand gun at the time was CZ 75b, but another of my quirks is I like a smooth handle against my skin when I'm carrying and I was concerned the stippling of a polymer gun would bother me.
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Just go with option 1
Nsomniac said:
1. Carry the 365 more. Continue to drill and take training regularly, get comfortable, channel that voice toward proper caution and discipline.
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Millions of folks are safely carrying striker-fired semi-autos with no manual safety and a round chambered. If we can teach the quality of students we're getting through our academy these days to be safe with this type of pistol, surely someone who actually is interested in, and likes, firearms, can do so as well.
 
bannockburn said:
My list of preferences as far as CCW and trigger type and manual safeties are concerned:

1) Kahr CM9 DAO/S&W Model 638 DAO with no safety
2) Colt Commander/Browning Hi-Power SAO with a manual safety
3) CZ P07 SAO with a manual safety
4) Ruger SR9c Striker Fired with a manual safety
5) HK VP9 Striker Fired with no safety
6) CZ P01 DA/SA with no safety
7) SIG P229 DA/SA with no safety
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You actually cycle thru all those when you carry??
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FFGColorado
You actually cycle thru all those when you carry??
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No, not at the present but I have carried all of them at some time or another.
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Just recently got a new of holster for the VP9 and have been trying it out.
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I'm pretty well set with the Kahr CM9 and the S&W Model 638 as my EDC but I do like to have other carry options to choose from on occasion.
 
I have to admit that I also have concerns about the Sig P365.

Last spring I went on a mission to find a smaller semi-auto carry gun. I had a Glock 26, but found myself not carrying it more and more. It felt like a BRICK!! I fell back on my BUG, my S&W442. I had been researching the Sig P365 and figured it was the Holy Grail! So, I sold my Glock AND my S&W 442 and bought one!

I took it to the range multiple times before carrying. The light trigger always concerned me. I just was not comfortable with it. I sold it off recently and I am going back to all revolver carry.
 
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