CZ 75 DA/SA trigger pull

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It's six degrees, snowing, and windy outside. My mind is wandering idly. I've been thinking about buying a CZ 75 SP-01. I'm wondering how the trigger compares to the HK LEM, which, despite having a long takeup, doesn't require the finger strength of Hercules to shoot well. Has anyone shot both? I'm primarily interested in the pull weight and distance between the back of the frame and the trigger (not sure if length of pull applies to handguns).
 
Stock pull weight will not be anywhere close to the LEM. After you throw some Cajun goodies at it, the 75 can have a very nice DA and SA trigger. Stock, though... they're not great.
 
The CZ75 has a relatively long trigger reach. If that is an issue with you and other guns, you really should handle a CZ75 to see if it works for you.
 
I think youll do yourself a big favor if you dont worry about what it compares to and just learn to shoot it as it is.

Most guns have very similar factory DA triggers, or at least not enough difference that you really notice (unless of course, you insist on focusing on it). Where the problems come in, is with the shooters who arent DA shooters, and who dont have DA trigger muscle tone.

If you work on that, you will be MUCH better off with everything you shoot, and youll save a lot of money if youre one of those people that has to have trigger work done. :thumbup:

Find a gun that you "think" has a heavy DA trigger, and practice with that, DAO, until you can stroke the trigger and the sights dont move while youre doing it. In short order (and it doesnt take long), Im willing to bet, youre going to find that that trigger really wasnt bad at all. ;)

Nor are any of the others. :)
 
I can’t help with the HK comparison, but I’ve had both a straight CZ 75 and the SP-01. They do have a fairly long take up but the SP-01 trigger was definitely better out of the box.

Of all the pistols I own, the SP-01 is the one that feels the most solid in my hand. Of course, that could be because it weighs 40 oz!
 
Apples to Oranges.

The HK LEM compares more to a CZ75 single action if it had the double actions trigger reach/movement.

The CZ DA trigger is fairly typical to most DA triggers. It’s long and heavy but compared to its peers I don’t find them all that bad stock for stock. The single action is good with a decent reset. All in all a decent DA/SA trigger better then an HK DA/SA and worse then a SIG/Beretta DA/SA.

Keep in mind, if dry firing, the gun is designed to fire DA from half cock not hammer all the way down. Half cock lessens trigger reach.
 
Navy87Guy said:
Of all the pistols I own, the SP-01 is the one that feels the most solid in my hand. Of course, that could be because it weighs 40 oz!
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Well I mean the SP01 is just this side of crew served or at least benefits from having a Sherpa carry it for you. :). I kid. I LOVE the he SP01.
 
1KPerDay said:
Stock pull weight will not be anywhere close to the LEM. After you throw some Cajun goodies at it, the 75 can have a very nice DA and SA trigger. Stock, though... they're not great.
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Yeah, I'm not going to lie; I've been looking at CGW all weekend. I can't stop thinking about one that has a hard chrome refinish with a gold hammer and trigger and black DLC controls. It's probably a $2k handgun after all that, though...

I should stay off the Internet. :D

JTQ said:
The CZ75 has a relatively long trigger reach. If that is an issue with you and other guns, you really should handle a CZ75 to see if it works for you.
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Good to know. Handguns with long trigger reaches do not agree with me. I end up shifting my grip too much to shoot them well. Desert Eagle, anyone?

AK103K said:
I think youll do yourself a big favor if you dont worry about what it compares to and just learn to shoot it as it is.

Most guns have very similar factory DA triggers, or at least not enough difference that you really notice (unless of course, you insist on focusing on it). Where the problems come in, is with the shooters who arent DA shooters, and who dont have DA trigger muscle tone.

If you work on that, you will be MUCH better off with everything you shoot, and youll save a lot of money if youre one of those people that has to have trigger work done. :thumbup:

Find a gun that you "think" has a heavy DA trigger, and practice with that, DAO, until you can stroke the trigger and the sights dont move while youre doing it. In short order (and it doesnt take long), Im willing to bet, youre going to find that that trigger really wasnt bad at all. ;)

Nor are any of the others. :)
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Good point. I spend a lot of time with the LEM. However, my time is quite limited right now, and I'm not sure if I want to take practice time away from my LEMs if the triggers really are all that different. Since the LEM is what I carry, that's what I need to maintain proficiency with.

cslinger said:
Keep in mind, if dry firing, the gun is designed to fire DA from half cock not hammer all the way down. Half cock lessens trigger reach.
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That could help. I believe CGW also sells a kit that shortens the pull a decent amount.
 
CopperFouling said:
I spend a lot of time with the LEM. However, my time is quite limited right now, and I'm not sure if I want to take practice time away from my LEMs if the triggers really are all that different.
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If you've already learned the H&K LEM, especially the light one, I don't think it is worth learning the DA trigger of the CZ. Not only is it heavier, it also has a lot of creep before it reaches the let off.

You might take a look at a SIG DAK trigger. It has a shorter trigger travel than the LEM and is even a bit lighter...certainly less mushy. As am added bonus, all your practice with the LEM is directly transferable to the DAK
 
If the DA is a bit much, most brands can be tweaked safely. I for one don't much care for my SP-01 DA, the trigger /at the frame opening bites my trigger finger, now SA it's about the best I've owned. Since the OP is looking at CZ's a less expensive and (IMO) better choice is Tanfoglio. They've taken the platform to another level.
 
The thing most people need to "tweak", is their trigger finger and the muscles associated with it. Not the triggers. :thumbup:

I have yet to run across a "bad" factory commercial DA trigger. Some are a tad different than others in feel and let off, but even then, not really all that different.

Im tellin ya. If you take a little time and learn to shoot factory DA triggers, especially DAO, youll be a better shooter all around and across the board. And a big hint here too is, you arent even thinking about that trigger or what its doing when you shoot. ;)
 
9mmepiphany said:
If you've already learned the H&K LEM, especially the light one, I don't think it is worth learning the DA trigger of the CZ. Not only is it heavier, it also has a lot of creep before it reaches the let off.
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I disagree. I think it’s worth learning most of the various actions and I feel learning DA or DA/SA will pay dividends across all the various actions.
 
cslinger said:
I disagree. I think it’s worth learning most of the various actions and I feel learning DA or DA/SA will pay dividends across all the various actions.
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Which trigger management attributes do you believe one would learn from working with a DA/SA trigger that you wouldn't learn from working with a DAK?
 
My personal experience is that folks who shoot nothing but LDA or strikers tend to box themselves into those formats.

I have found that folks who take the time to learn a heavy DA pull tend to end up better across the board because a heavy (crappy if you will) DA trigger will magnify any failings you might have. Strikers and LDA type triggers tend to mask them.

Now this is my experience with myself and other folks I have either taught or know. This is not me saying GOSPEL you can’t learn to shoot unless.........
 
cslinger said:
This is not me saying GOSPEL you can’t learn to shoot unless.........
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It was just a while ago that I physically demonstrated, he didn't understand the verbal explanation, a smooth trigger press on a SIG 320 and a Glock G19, by having him practice some trigger strokes with my Kahr CW9 and revolver...but then neither of them have crappy triggers.

My objection to the CZ DA/SA trigger is more about it's gritty/rough trigger stroke
 
9mmepiphany said:
It was just a while ago that I physically demonstrated, he didn't understand the verbal explanation, a smooth trigger press on a SIG 320 and a Glock G19, by having him practice some trigger strokes with my Kahr CW9 and revolver...but then neither of them have crappy triggers.

My objection to the CZ DA/SA trigger is more about it's gritty/rough trigger stroke
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I don’t generally find CZ stock triggers all that bad most of the time.

That said a good revolver DA or a KAHR are good teachers as well IMO.

I just find LEM/DAK/LDA any of the pre tensioned Hammer fired guns have too light of a pull (while maintaining a long travel) and an oddness in their feeling and reset that if you learn them and like them you will do fine with them but they don’t translate well to other platforms.

Now again, I am not some guru sharing my vast knowledge and experience I am simply saying what I have both observed and experienced, but at the end of the day I am just some idjit lucky enough to have had the blessings to shoot a great many firearms, all for pleasure and peaceful purposes as I hope it shall ever be. :)
 
AK103K said:
Im tellin ya. If you take a little time and learn to shoot factory DA triggers, especially DAO, youll be a better shooter all around and across the board. And a big hint here too is, you arent even thinking about that trigger or what its doing when you shoot. ;)
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Fair enough. I can do that with my S&W 686, though, a handgun which I find much more challenging to shoot than the P30. I guess I'll pass on the CZ. It doesn't seem worth the money in my case.
 
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