Good article from Forbes after the Biden request to Congress

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The common usage is that private sales will also have to go through a NICS check. Thus, if you Ed sells to Phil, they have to have a check in the process. Perhaps, go to an FFL so they can run Phil. No private seller tables at gun shows. Folks have been busted for being dealers when they consistently do 'private' sales at gun shows.

Some proposals give exemptions for transfers between close family. It depends.

For example, there was quite a bit of 'private' sales in parking lots at gun shows. Some of the buyers were less than upstanding. Austin declared that gun shows were attractive nuisances because of that. I know folks who only will sell if a buyer has a CHL, LTC or CCW permit.
 
Elkins45 said:
Congress, on the other hand, can introduce legislation
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Getting something through gamut of the Committees and the Senate will filter much of the more extreme legislation.

Elkins45 said:
the responsibility to fight falls mostly on voters in the purple states. Solidly blue and red district votes are fixed, leaving those politicians in shaky districts as the ones who will ultimately decide.
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Exactly so, which makes supporting those "purple politicians" that aren't Anti very important and encouraging the rest to support their whole district and not just the party.
 
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Yes, I meant that the current 'private' sale tables, as in TX, that had signs - no background checks would be disallowed. There were a few of those. If fact, I saw a FFL and 'private' set almost come to blows over status. Nasty words were exchanged. The private crew had a table at each show with a few guns. There was a guy who had two rifles and three pistols in his belt, every show - walking around with a sign - private sale.

One has to wonder. My buddy wanted to sell a SW Sigma 40 (talk about a failure of a gun). So he gets on line for the gun show ticket both and a guy comes up and offers him more than what would be a good price. My buddy (I wasn't there) was so happy, he got a deal. The rest of us, just shook our heads. It didn't come back to him yet.

BTW, some data indicate that if a new gun from an FFL is found in a crime, it takes about 10 years. This is called time to crime. If a gun is sold person to person and shows up in a crime, it took about 5 years. Are these good data? Just reporting a paper I heard at a criminology conference.
 
Fine Figure of a Man said:
How do you define a UBC and when should one be required?
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In MY mind a UBC should be a criminal background check, like a NICS check but it also runs military records (so that of the military never got around to reporting criminal activity to non-DOD entities, at least it would be known), a mental health certificate of health no older than a month.

All of which are to be done any time a firearm changes ownership or accessibility.
 
old lady new shooter said:
IMO self-defense is the best argument. Especially for a woman or an older person or disabled person who will clearly be at a huge disadvantage in the case of an encounter that gets up close and personal, a gun is the best equalizer. And after the raging mobs we saw last summer, who thinks their revolver will be sufficient to defend themselves if a mob breaks into their home? Police can't be everywhere at once, look what happened to the Korean community in the L.A. Riots -- they kept calling 911 and kept being told police would not be coming. Thankfully they had long guns which they took up to their rooftops and defended themselves, their families and their businesses. That was an actual example in the modern USA only a few years ago.
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These people don't believe that mere serfs have the right to defend themselves.

The use of force is rightly the exclusive province of government and is to be employed only by duly appointed agents of the ruling class.

All the blather about "safety," "gun violence" and "saving the children" is nothing but a smokescreen. Lies calculated to fool the serfs into supporting the cause. The real powers behind the gun control movement don't care about your children any more than they care about an ant.
 
daniel craig said:
I’m ok with UBCs honestly.
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daniel craig said:
In MY mind a UBC should be a criminal background check, like a NICS check but it also runs military records (so that of the military never got around to reporting criminal activity to non-DOD entities, at least it would be known), a mental health certificate of health no older than a month.

All of which are to be done any time a firearm changes ownership or accessibility.
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In that case - and let me be blunt - you are them.
 
Fine Figure of a Man said:
Not true and the current administrations stated agenda is far left of Obama's
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What gun restrictions can Biden enact purely by executive order that haven’t already been put in place? When Obama was bragging about his “executive actions” most of that was hot air. Trump actually did more damage to gun rights with his bump stock ban than Obama did during his entire administration, and if that ever makes its way in front of the SCOTUS it will likely be reversed. If some sort of gun restrictions could have been implemented simply by Presidential fiat Obama would have enacted them after Sandy Hook.

Biden can’t ban semi-autos by executive order. Biden can’t ban 11+ round magazines by executive order. Biden can’t institute UBC by executive order.
 
daniel craig said:
In MY mind a UBC should be a criminal background check, like a NICS check but it also runs military records (so that of the military never got around to reporting criminal activity to non-DOD entities, at least it would be known), a mental health certificate of health no older than a month.

All of which are to be done any time a firearm changes ownership or accessibility.
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Leaving aside the Constitutional issue of what constitutes an “infringement” there’s a very practical reason why UBC is dangerous. UBCs are meaningless if you can’t prosecute people for avoiding them, and you can’t prove Jim made a transfer to Bob unless you can prove the gun used to either (a) belong to Jim or (b) not belong to Bob.

Unless Jim or Bob have a 4473 on the gun somewhere then you can’t prove prior possession. You need another tool for that...you need a REGISTRY. And we all know what happens after the registry, don’t we boys and girls?
 
bdickens said:
These people don't believe that mere serfs have the right to defend themselves.

The use of force is rightly the exclusive province of government and is to be employed only by duly appointed agents of the ruling class.

All the blather about "safety," "gun violence" and "saving the children" is nothing but a smokescreen. Lies calculated to fool the serfs into supporting the cause. The real powers behind the gun control movement don't care about your children any more than they care about an ant.
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The politicians don't care about us defending ourselves, but our fellow citizens do. The politicians DO care (and maybe ONLY care) about getting re-elected. So if the majority of their constituents are telling them the right to defend themselves is important to them...
 
Elkins45 said:
What gun restrictions can Biden enact purely by executive order that haven’t already been put in place? When Obama was bragging about his “executive actions” most of that was hot air. Trump actually did more damage to gun rights with his bump stock ban than Obama did during his entire administration, and if that ever makes its way in front of the SCOTUS it will likely be reversed. If some sort of gun restrictions could have been implemented simply by Presidential fiat Obama would have enacted them after Sandy Hook.

Biden can’t ban semi-autos by executive order. Biden can’t ban 11+ round magazines by executive order. Biden can’t institute UBC by executive order.
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It's my understanding that he could make an executive order prohibiting the import of all the items he doesn't like. Which would mean new firearms coming on the market would have to be American-made.

Also he can exert substantial influence over BATFE, although I guess there we have the ability to file suit as recently took place (thanks, SAF!!!) on the stabilizing brace issue.
 
Elkins45 said:
Leaving aside the Constitutional issue of what constitutes an “infringement” there’s a very practical reason why UBC is dangerous. UBCs are meaningless if you can’t prosecute people for avoiding them, and you can’t prove Jim made a transfer to Bob unless you can prove the gun used to either (a) belong to Jim or (b) not belong to Bob.

Unless Jim or Bob have a 4473 on the gun somewhere then you can’t prove prior possession. You need another tool for that...you need a REGISTRY. And we all know what happens after the registry, don’t we boys and girls?
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Bingo.
 
daniel craig said:
In MY mind a UBC should be a criminal background check, like a NICS check but it also runs military records (so that of the military never got around to reporting criminal activity to non-DOD entities, at least it would be known), a mental health certificate of health no older than a month.

All of which are to be done any time a firearm changes ownership or accessibility.
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I’m no fan of this way of thinking, because I don’t understand what the purpose is for it. I know why I am told it’s important, but I don’t believe it is a valid argument.

I think there is a large divide in what should be allowed as an “infringement” and what should not, and I think it’s largely a “where you grew up” thing.

I have lots of in-laws from western NY. They are rural folks, blue collar, hunters, gun owners. They come down to visit and I always offer them a range visit to go shooting. I am amazed by their reactions the first time we go out and we load 15-17 rounds in a handgun magazine, or 30 in an AR. One time, a young adult nephew was with me when I was buying shotgun ammo at a local Academy and I bought a couple cases. He said he was only able to buy limited amounts (pre COVID). He watched a guy pick out a gun, fill out the paperwork, pay for the gun, and leave with it...he asked me what the “wait time” was on a gun purchase in TX. I told him “Once the customer initiated the purchase, 20-40 minutes, depending on the speed of the computer system and the store clerk.” He looked at me and he said “wow! Thats crazy!”. I asked him why he thought it was “crazy”...and after some thought, he said...”Well, I don’t know".

Folks from very restrictive states are the “gun owners” the media and politicians like to refer to when they claim how gun owners are not opposed to all these new laws for “gun safety”. They live under these stupid rules like limited magazine capacities, type firearm bans, waiting periods, ammo restrictions, etc. They conform, because firearms owners are generally law abiding people. I don't blame them...I'd most likely do the same if I lived there. But what I would NOT do...what I will NOT do, is agree to laws that infringe upon my RKBA. I do not like that Texas doesn't have constitutional carry. I accept it and I abide by it as law, but I do not accept it as good.

But most folks I know in less restrictive states like Texas are absolutely opposed to ANY further infringement on buying, carrying, or possessing a firearm.
 
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old lady new shooter said:
It's my understanding that he could make an executive order prohibiting the import of all the items he doesn't like. Which would mean new firearms coming on the market would have to be American-made.

Also he can exert substantial influence over BATFE, although I guess there we have the ability to file suit as recently took place (thanks, SAF!!!) on the stabilizing brace issue.
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Then Biden would get credit for being the guy who resurrected Bushmaster after everyone in the industry had given it up for dead. We could call the initiative “Make American Guns Again” and have that acronym printed on hats. What color hats do you think we should use?

:D :D :D
 
daniel craig said:
All of which are to be done any time a firearm changes ownership or accessibility.
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Annnnddd....the NEXT item is what exactly? ball bat? sharp knife from the kitchen? Feet & hands? To the casual reader that MAY seem absurd. However, the Fed COULD do those easier, 'cause they are NOT in fact constitutionally protected.


Elkins45 said:
Biden can’t ban semi-autos by executive order. Biden can’t ban 11+ round magazines by executive order. Biden can’t institute UBC by executive order.
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HOWEVER....if ppl believe it...well, the falsehood carries the same weight as truth.
 
Elkins45 said:
Then Biden would get credit for being the guy who resurrected Bushmaster after everyone in the industry had given it up for dead. We could call the initiative “Make American Guns Again” and have that acronym printed on hats. What color hats do you think we should use?

:D :D :D
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:D:D:D
 
Gun owners are our own worse enemy.
hso said:
Getting something through gamut of the Committees and the Senate will filter much of the more extreme legislation.
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I hope you are right. I don’t want any more legislation, but less expensive s definitely better than more.

But honestly, I hate saying that. Sounds like giving in...compromise. I don’t want to compromise, I want it to all go away. Law abiding gun owners are all for criminals being prosecuted and going to jail for illegal use of a gun. Politicians know this, so they try to write laws that make the simple act of ownership and/or possession a crime. They know we will cave in.

These gun control politicians try and paint the picture as if there aren’t already a metric crap ton of laws on the books now. But the reality is there are already many, and many are not enforced. But John W Sheeple has zero clue of this reality.

And don’t forget...the folks writing these laws are the ones who gave us the “Fast and Furious” Gun running scandal
 
GEM said:
The common usage is that private sales will also have to go through a NICS check. Thus, if you Ed sells to Phil, they have to have a check in the process. Perhaps, go to an FFL so they can run Phil.
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Virginia enacted this in the legislative session last year (the same session that failed to enact a state AWB). The wrinkle, though, was that the State Police were mandated to set up tables at every Virginia gun show, and provide background checks on request to private buyers/sellers, thereby circumventing the FFL involvement. (The State Police check would not have an entry in a dealer's "bound book," for one thing.) But, because of the COVID effect in limiting gun shows, this system did not get a full workout in the year it was supposed to take effect.
 
old lady new shooter said:
It's my understanding that he could make an executive order prohibiting the import of all the items he doesn't like. Which would mean new firearms coming on the market would have to be American-made.

Also he can exert substantial influence over BATFE, although I guess there we have the ability to file suit as recently took place (thanks, SAF!!!) on the stabilizing brace issue.
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Not true
The United States Constitution gives Congress the power to impose and collect taxes, tariffs, duties, and the like, and to regulate international commerce. While the Constitution gives the President authority to negotiate international agreements, it assigns him no specific power over international commerce and trade
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