Do you feel offended if seller asks for a copy of CHL for record when doing FTF?

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I have a few handguns I want to sell in near future, shipping handgun is too expensive and only FFL can ship USPS (with Priority Flat Rate Box) but not many FFLs would do outbound transfers, many times only small gun shops and they charge outbound FFL fee much higher. FTF seems to be the only other option. When I sell a firearm not going thru FFL, I would want to sell to CHL holders only and I would like to keep a record, will folks give a copy of their CHLs to sellers or allow taking a picture, when doing FTFs? or it is too much to ask?
 
It's your firearm sell it as you wish. I ask to see, write down name after they walk away, record their name and phone # in my firearm log. Could save me problems in the future IF I bought the gun new. Guns I've bought used with no background check I have less of an issue. No matter I always ask for ID and have never had a refusal. Refuse and you don't buy the gun.
In another world, coworker sold a car, got no buyer info. New buyer never registers car. Six months later car is involved in a major crash, driver runs away. It was a three month ordeal for him to prove he didn't own the car or wasn't driving.
 
The legal requirement usually is for you to know that you're not selling to a prohibited person, and a resident of your state. There is no requirement for you to keep evidence of this.
Exactly; I'll SHOW you my DL or CWFL, but you are not taking down any personal info like my address or name or DL number - too many ID thieves out there
 
There is no requirement for you to keep evidence of this

You are correct there is not. If the gun is traceable to you, as in you bought it new and used in a major crime and left behind, you will receive a knock at your door at some point. Usually telling buyers up front you require to see ID especially a CW permit discourages shady prople.
 
Your property. Sell it how ever you want. Just realize that limitations you put on the sale may limit your potential customers. If that is your intent, then by all means do what you would like with your property.

Now I'll get into my personal opinion. A firearm is a tool and personal property just like anything else I own. I have sold a few firearms. By law, I am not supposed to sell a firearm to someone if I know or have reasonable suspicion that they are a prohibited person. My only requirement is that you have the money and we are good to go as long as you don't tell me you are a prohibited person or hint to such case. I don't hold myself responsible for what another person does with a tool they are buying from me. I will never understand why we have allowed firearms to be classified as something different than any other tool in the world.
 
C&R has requirement to log buyer's info on log book and I asked buyers to let me write down their DL info when I sold my C&R firearms, no issue in the past, but I always tell them up front. If they don't want to do it, I move to next buyer. Some folks exchanged copy of DL with me, gives both sides some protection. But folks buying C&R seem knowing the log book requirement and more willing to do so, handgun folks are likely different!
 
For me, personally, I am not/would not be offended if someone wanted to copy my cwp for a ftf transaction. The Florida license has my name, photo and license#, but no address info on it. Others may feel differently on the subject, but if I'm selling a firearm that I purchased new, I like to have a bill of sale and record the name and cwp license number. Something I bought used with no paperwork, i will sell with no BOS. I am absolutely aware there is no requirement for keeping any paperwork, but in the event I get a knock on the door, that record sure beats a story about a boating accident...
 
I wouldnt let anyone have a copy of any of my ID in that context. I've made up bills of sale to have a record but I'd never ask anyone for a copy of any form of ID for my records nor would I give someone mine.

That being said, as a citizen of Illinois I do have to send a scan of my FOID card when buying ammo online but that is different from sending it to a private citizen.
 
Following the law is good enough nothing more needs to be done. As long as the person is a resident of your state and doesn't tell you he is a criminal or crazy all Is good to go. I don't need to know anything else.
THANK you! Someone gets it..................
 
I’m not offended by it, I fully understand they’re in CYA mode and I get why. That said I’m not going to give some random guy I don’t know a copy of any of my information, he’s free to look but not photo/copy.

But, that said it’s your gun so you can set the terms of sale however you want, just put the terms up front. You’ll likely turn a few people away but if makes you and yours sleep better at night then do it.

FWIW: I’d pay for a transfer before I’d give a copy of anything to a stranger.
 
For FTF I state up front in the ad that ID is required , CC license strongly preferred , and I have the right of refusal to sell. Weeds out most shady types right away. At the initiation of the FTF meeting I do a "You show me yours , I'll show you mine" deal. If the potential buyer is relaxed and comfortable with that we are good to proceed.
I would NEVER agree to having my IDs photographed as a seller or a buyer.

Footnote : On two such occasions I learned that the guy I was dealing with was an off duty police officer. One was getting a good deal on 9mm ammo , the other got a nice deal on a .22 revolver with which he planned to train a grandchild. Good experiences , both.
 
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WHAT protection? There is none.
Its your sale, ask for whatever documentation makes you feel comfortable with the transaction. Just be upfront about the information requested and honest about your intent.
I do require a copy of a persons permit to purchase, and when I sold my C&Rs a copy of their ID for my bound book.
 
Exactly; I'll SHOW you my DL or CWFL, but you are not taking down any personal info like my address or name or DL number - too many ID thieves out there

Yet you have already had correspondence by email and phone, I presume.. not too hard to connect the dots..

If you are so concerned with them being a theif why would you follow through with a transaction?


*Devils advocate..

I personally ask to see TX CHL.
 
When I sell a firearm not going thru FFL, I would want to sell to CHL holders only and I would like to keep a record, will folks give a copy of their CHLs to sellers or allow taking a picture, when doing FTFs? or it is too much to ask?
You can ask what you want of buyers, but you'll chase lots away by asking for that sort of thing. No way I'm giving info like that to anyone I'm not legally required to. Follow the law and no more.
 
In the opposite vein, when buying a used gun I ask for a receipt. When selling I offer a receipt. Protects against buying or receiving stolen property.
 
Yet you have already had correspondence by email and phone, I presume.. not too hard to connect the dots.
Pretty tough for the average person to connect the dots if the other party is using a disposable phone # and/or email, which is a good idea for anyone who is buying or selling used items, including guns.

If you are so concerned with them being a theif why would you follow through with a transaction?
That's just basic personal security. Don't give personal info to strangers if there's no legal reason to do so.
 
How does getting a homemade receipt from a stranger prevent you from receiving stolen property?

Doesn't prevent you from receiving, but says where you got it from. Prevents owner or member of their family from reporting it stolen.
 
Out of curiosity I wonder what the age make up in responders is. Does age change your perspective. I'm in the 60+ club and have seen enough odd stuff to want to protect myself.
Does age make a difference or not?
 
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