S&W Model 41 on the way

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Frankl03 said:
I will try to avoid any waxed ammo as I have heard it doesn't function well in the Model 41.
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Whoever told you that has no idea what he is talking about. To the best of my knowledge, every brand of competition .22 uses some type of wax. In fact, it seems to me that one is either going to find waxed .22 or copper washed .22, with the latter available primarily as bulk pack and other assorted garbage.

I'm honestly starting to wonder if we're being trolled here.
 
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.38 Special said:
Whoever told you that has no idea what he is talking about. To the best of my knowledge, every brand of competition .22 uses some type of wax. In fact, it seems to me that one is either going to find waxed .22 or copper washed .22, and the latter is primarily available as bulk pack and other assorted garbage.

I'm honestly starting to wonder if we're being trolled here.
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Trolled Huh?? What does that even mean?? What do you mean by that??

The ammo I have is Remington Golden Bullet, CCI stingers, Winchester 333 Lead round nose, Champion bulk and Blazer bulk ( I believe it lead round nose. Not sure if any of these is waxed.

I read on on Rimfire Central that waxed 22lr does not cycle well in Model 41s becaise of the tight chamber. Don't know this personally as I have not shot mine yet.

Also I work on my guns. Non is too sacred to not try to improve. I worked extensively on my CZ Shadow 2, converted it to SA and did extensive polishing (the trigger is under 2lbs and with short reset). I also have a Tanfoglio Elite Limited, same thing polished the internals, added a flat trigger (trigger is under two lbs).

I have since sold my Ruger Mark iii, but same thing added the Volguartsen stuff (sear, sear spring and trigger along with the clark hammer bushing, result: great trigger and very accurate.
 
Frankl03 said:
Trolled Huh?? What does that even mean?? What do you mean by that??

The ammo I have is Remington Golden Bullet, CCI stingers, Winchester 333 Lead round nose, Champion bulk and Blazer bulk ( I believe it lead round nose. Not sure if any of these is waxed.

I read on on Rimfire Central that waxed 22lr does not cycle well in Model 41s becaise of the tight chamber. Don't know this personally as I have not shot mine yet.

Also I work on my guns. Non is too sacred to not try to improve. I worked extensively on my CZ Shadow 2, converted it to SA and did extensive polishing (the trigger is under 2lbs and with short reset). I also have a Tanfoglio Elite Limited, same thing polished the internals, added a flat trigger (trigger is under two lbs).

I have since sold my Ruger Mark iii, but same thing added the Volguartsen stuff (sear, sear spring and trigger along with the clark hammer bushing, result: great trigger and very accurate.
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If that comment was out of line then I apologize.

But you've bought one of the finest target pistols made, presumably spending four figures, and before even shooting it you attacked it with a Dremel. You've also told us that you plan on using some of the very worst ammunition in it, and that you're going to carefully avoid the only kind of ammunition that the gun is actually designed for. You really could not yank our chains any harder if you tried!
 
I used the dremel on it to try avoid feeding problems. I plan to try SV ammo as soon as I can get it. Just looked at ammo prices online and can't see myself spending that kind of money on it. I have to try and shoot this thing with the ammo I have. I have heard many people swear by CCI SV and several other ammo when it comes to the Model 41. I promise to try it when I can get it.

My previous 22lr pistol was a Ruger Mk iii, it loved and was accurate with Remington Golden bullet.Buy the way that Ruger was never ammo sensitive. Currently along with the new Model 41 I have a Buckmark (that I also worked on) and the Buckmark seems like the Remington stuff as well. I have a buddy with a High Standard Sport King and he says that some of the Remington stuff does not cycle in his pistol

I value all the info people have shared!
Thank you!

Range report forth coming!


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Winchester 333 is worse garbage than Rem golden bullet which is total unreliable inaccurate crap. You don't need eley tenex unless you are shooting an anschutz rifle in competition.
CCI SV is the most reliable in model 41 pistols that I own and is accurate enough that its used in NRA bullseye pistol.
CCI SV and all other match grade ammo is lubricated with a wax like coating. It is what the Model 41 is Designed to shoot.

As far as the Dremel goes a seriously bad idea.

I have 3 model 41 pistols, oldest made in 1972 newest in 2002. I shoot one every time I go to the range, and one was my bullseye gun for 7 years of bullseye league . All are accurate and reliable with good SV ammo. Never needed to polish adjust or replace anything other than springs.

It is a precision target pistol nothing needs dremeling unless you are looking to make it less accurate and less reliable.
 
Master Blaster said:
CCI SV and all other match grade ammo is lubricated with a wax like coating.
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As Master Blaster and others have rightly noted, almost all .22 rimfire ammunition has a wax-like coating on the bullets (I can't bring to mind any that doesn't and I've shot a lot of different .22 ammunition in my time). The other point, apparently too late to make, is that I wouldn't do anything to any firearm in terms of improving the accuracy or functionality until after I've shot it, even extensively so. You really know nothing about any individual firearm, no matter the type, until after you've scored more than a few targets.
 
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I never shoot that bulk junk through any precision pistol. That's what the rugers are for. Nothing but cci sv and eley for the S&W, high standards and Beretta.
 
Jeff olson said:
I never shoot that bulk junk through any precision pistol.
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I think I understand your sentiments here but the Model 41 and most any other finely-tuned .22 target pistol are not sacred cows. For cheap practice, there's no downside to shooting sv "bulk" ammunition in these pistols. The bulk ammunition might not be as accurate and it might require a more frequent cleaning regimen but for informal target practice, they will do as well as any mainstream Ruger in the same role-especially if you don't have one.
 
When I first started shooting .22s I went out and bought just about every kind of .22 ammo I could find. Found CCI to be very consistent in terms of quality, reliability, and provide excellent accuracy. I also feel the same way about Wolf Match Target, so much so that when I came across an ammo dealer at a gun show I quickly pulled my credit card out of my wallet and bought all the Wolf ammo that he had for a total of 10 bricks! Best ammo purchase I ever made!

I don't know what kind of coating or lubricant they use on Wolf Match Target ammo but it works wonders in terms of reliable feeding! And I truly believe that after running a bunch of rounds through it, the barrel is actually cleaner inside than before I started shooting!

While my Ruger Mk.II really does well with Wolf Match Target, my SIG Trailside has a definite preference for CCI SV too!

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Would love to know what ammo they were using when they fired this test group at the factory!
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SwampWolf said:
I think I understand your sentiments here but the Model 41 and most any other finely-tuned .22 target pistol are not sacred cows. For cheap practice, there's no downside to shooting sv "bulk" ammunition in these pistols. The bulk ammunition might not be as accurate and it might require a more frequent cleaning regimen but for informal target practice, they will do as well as any mainstream Ruger in the same role-especially if you don't have one.
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I apologize for not being more specific. My high standards are finicky and I've found that the cci sv is is best for all of them. That is what I reach for on the shelves. The eley works nice too.
 
I appreciate the comments about using a dremel but light polishing with a felt pad should hurt nothing and help feeding. I will let you know as I plan to shoot it in the morning.
As I mentioned earlier I do plan to try some standard velocity ammo when I can get some.
Thanks again .
 
SwampWolf said:
I think I understand your sentiments here but the Model 41 and most any other finely-tuned .22 target pistol are not sacred cows. For cheap practice, there's no downside to shooting sv "bulk" ammunition in these pistols. The bulk ammunition might not be as accurate and it might require a more frequent cleaning regimen but for informal target practice, they will do as well as any mainstream Ruger in the same role-especially if you don't have one.
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I suppose the outrage is that the gentleman bought a Model 41 and then treated it like a Mk II - leaving the cognoscenti to wonder why he didn't buy a Mk II in the first place. He could just as well have spent ten grand on the finest precision .22 ever made. Between the Dremel and the bulk pack ammunition, the best gun in the world is still going to perform like a hundred dollar H&R.

<edit> I will admit that light polishing is unlikely to hurt anything, and may well be an improvement. I'm just butthurt that anyone would feel the need to "fix" such a perfect thing without even shooting it first!
 
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Got to the indoor range (at the gun club I belong to) this morning. I only had an hour as I had to get to work this morning. I think it went pretty good. I'm pleased the way the Model 41 ran. I took 4 different brands of 22lr.
I took Remington Golden Bullet, CCI Stingers, Blazer Lead Round nose and an older partial box of Federal Auto Match. I shot free hand or without a rest from 10 yards.

I had a couple failure to feeds that I believe were ammo related. I shot 4 mags only because of the time.

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The first was mag was the CCI Stingers i believe this is the fastest velocity ammo I shot and I had one failure to feed. I was please the way it grouped.

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The next mag was the Remington Golden Bullet. Every round fed and fired fine. Thought it grouped OK too.

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The next mags the federal Auto Match and I and I had 3-4 failures to feed. To be fair this was old ammo I had laying around the garage. It seemed like a couple of the rounds were under powered maybe cause of age and that when I had the failure to fee the next round.

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The last mag was the Blazer Lead Round nose. It had no failures. It didn't group as well but could have just been me.

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All in all very pleased the way the Model 41 shot. I really liked the trigger unlike a lot of guns that need work to get a good trigger. The 41 seemed easy to get and hold on target.

Thank you again for all the info!
 
Frankl03 said:
Got to the indoor range (at the gun club I belong to) this morning. I only had an hour as I had to get to work this morning. I think it went pretty good. I'm pleased the way the Model 41 ran. I took 4 different brands of 22lr.

All in all very pleased the way the Model 41 shot. I really liked the trigger unlike a lot of guns that need work to get a good trigger. The 41 seemed easy to get and hold on target.
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Sounds like good news and a fine start to your day as well.

Todd.
 
For me in my Ruger 10-22 and Mk2 CCI Blazer was the best. Not being able to find it I use AutoMatch now and Federal red and black box. It works great.
 
.38 Special said:
I suppose the outrage is that the gentleman bought a Model 41 and then treated it like a Mk II - leaving the cognoscenti to wonder why he didn't buy a Mk II in the first place.
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My only point was/is that the Model 41 doesn't have to be relegated to using "match" grade ammunition exclusively just because it's a highly refined target pistol; it's entirely viable and practical to use "bulk" ammunition (even hv stuff) and "match" grade ammunition in the same pistol, depending on the purpose at the time, and still have the benefits offered by both types of ammunition.
 
SwampWolf said:
My only point was/is that the Model 41 doesn't have to be relegated to using "match" grade ammunition exclusively just because it's a highly refined target pistol; it's entirely viable and practical to use "bulk" ammunition (even hv stuff) and "match" grade ammunition in the same pistol, depending on the purpose at the time, and still have the benefits offered by both types of ammunition.
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Sure. It just strikes me as similar to buying a Ferrari and then putting knobbies on for use as a lawn tractor. Yes, it will do, but...

Regardless, it's his gun to do with as he pleases, and I'm going to butt out.
 
Bulk and high velocity ammo will generally be less accurate than standard velocity ammo but the difference is not really big enough in most cases for the average shooter to notice, just as an owner of a S&W 41 or Hammerli International will not become a master shooter with the purchase of a match pistol alone.
Using high velocity ammo in a top grade match pistol, like the Hammerli International, can turn out to be a mistake, and a costly one at that.

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Today I put 80 rounds of Fed Auto Match through the model 41. It shot great. Also shot a couple mags if Rem bulk. Working on getting some SV ammo, nothing found yet. I may have a line on a couple boxes of Fed Auto Match which while not the same as SV it's still a little lower velocity.

I installed a recoil buffer today as well. This pistol really shoots nice. I will upload a 25 yard free hand target later from shooting today
 
PzGren said:
Bulk and high velocity ammo will generally be less accurate than standard velocity ammo but the difference is not really big enough in most cases for the average shooter to notice, just as an owner of a S&W 41 or Hammerli International will not become a master shooter with the purchase of a match pistol alone.
Using high velocity ammo in a top grade match pistol, like the Hammerli International, can turn out to be a mistake, and a costly one at that.

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Makes me think to the Pre-Woodsman/Woodsman *infamnia* of firing HV in an early Woodsman or Target Automatic built and *marked* for Standard Velocity only.
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Todd.
 
Frankl03 said:
Today I put 80 rounds of Fed Auto Match through the model 41. It shot great. Also shot a couple mags if Rem bulk. Working on getting some SV ammo, nothing found yet. I may have a line on a couple boxes of Fed Auto Match which while not the same as SV it's still a little lower velocity.

I installed a recoil buffer today as well. This pistol really shoots nice. I will upload a 25 yard free hand target later from shooting today
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I see from another post that CMP has, in stock, some Eley bricks (not Tenex) at SV speeds for a pretty decent price.

Todd.
 
I just bought some 22lr ammo from a big box store for $.05 a round. Can't swing the $.25 a round stuff.
Because I do have other 22lr ammo I will try to trade someone for some lower velocity stuff.
 
A dremil on a model 41? Your outta the club mister. Also don't use cheap bulk ammo. Mine runs great on cci standard velocity ammo.


Frankl03 said:
Just an update: I was able to pick up the Model 41 last night. I field stripped it. It has lots of sharp edges. Seems unfired to me.

I plan to do some polishing with my dremel on the feed ramp and chamber possibly even this morning.

I have a range trip planned with some buddies this Friday at the outdoor range I belong to. But if I can get away for a early morning trip (before work) our club has a indoor range I will do some initial testing with a verity of ammo I have already. I will try to avoid any waxed ammo as I have heard it doesn't function well in the Model 41.

I will report back what I find out!

My plans for this pistol is mainly to use for range outings. I pretty interested in steel challenge so I may try to get the needed mags needed to participate in it with 22lr. Also our outdoor range has steel plates which I enjoy shooting. 22 ammo doesn't always knock them down but it's fun trying.
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