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I'm debating trying a Benelli R1 - anyone here have one that can offer feedback? There are lots of mixed reviews and comments on the Benelli forums and e-zines (mostly surrounding accuracy), so I'm hoping that some of y'all can offer your experiences....

I'm specifically looking at this for a walkabout rifle (probably in 308), so balance and overall weight are important.
 
Page me Thurs, this is gonna be a long week, but I'll be happy to pitch in some info, including pix when I get a chance. @rbernie, the accuracy is not as bad as the bad reviews claim, but there is a process involved. More info later. Weight balance will vary with barrel length, the stock is certainly heavy and the piston is definitely not a toy!
 
If you are considering the r1, I would also consider the browning bar, mainly the mk2 safari because of accuracy. Not too much heavier but should be very accurate. Just food for thought
 
I had a Safari II, some years back, and while it was accurate it also never fit me worth a tinker’s dam. The appeal of the R1 is specifically the shim system and the replaceable comb to provide proper fit for offhand shooting with an optic. The BAR MkIII has a shim system, but they still don’t have a tall comb option.
 
I had a Safari II, some years back, and while it was accurate it also never fit me worth a tinker’s dam. The appeal of the R1 is specifically the shim system and the replaceable comb to provide proper fit for offhand shooting with an optic. The BAR MkIII has a shim system, but they still don’t have a tall comb option.
My 7mag BAR would probably get a little more goof off use if the stock comb was a little bit taller.
They're obviously set up for fast shooting with either smaller objective scopes (I have a Burris 4.5-14 timberline on mine) or open sights.

The length of pull is also surprisingly long, especially for a fast action semi-auto, It actually fits me really well and it's very comfortable to shoot.

Mine is 9lb 5oz, and I really like the way it looks and handles. I'm having a hard time convincing myself that I like the way benelli's gun designs look. I couldn't stand the super black eagle or the Nova that I borrowed for a bit.
I am attracted to the performance tho....
 
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Every time that I throw my M2 Field to the shoulder, I literally smile at how (once properly shimmed for cast/drop and comb'ed and LOP'ed) it just points where I'm looking. I 'm not much looking at the gun at that point; I'm looking at the target. :)

That's the performance that I've never had from a rifle and I'd like to finally acquire it. I dunno what else would give me that other than a Benelli rifle.
 
Every time that I throw my M2 Field to the shoulder, I literally smile at how (once properly shimmed for cast/drop and comb'ed and LOP'ed) it just points where I'm looking. I 'm not much looking at the gun at that point; I'm looking at the target. :)

That's the performance that I've never had from a rifle and I'd like to finally acquire it. I dunno what else would give me that other than a Benelli rifle.
I have never worried about that because I can take the gun to a gunsmith that specializes in stocks to adjust LOP and cast, etc. I prefer getting a stock sleeve that has foam pieces to raise the comb. Too each their own though.
 
I have never worried about that because I can take the gun to a gunsmith that specializes in stocks to adjust LOP and cast, etc. I prefer getting a stock sleeve that has foam pieces to raise the comb. Too each their own though.
It's nice and all that stuff comes in the box with a gun though.
I had a shotgun fairly recently that I could adjust all that stuff on and I thought it was pretty cool.

None of my guns have been adjusted for me besides like the pull, and comb height. But just those little adjustments can completely change the way a rifle feels, so I can understand how having the other adjustments would be desirable.
For comb height I usually use a cartridge sleeve and just shove padding under it, But a friend of mine has made me a couple of leather strap-on risers I really liked.
Length of pull is usually adjusted by adding a thicker recoil pad or spacers since almost all stocks are little too short for me.
 
Page me Thurs, this is gonna be a long week, but I'll be happy to pitch in some info, including pix when I get a chance. @rbernie, the accuracy is not as bad as the bad reviews claim, but there is a process involved. More info later. Weight balance will vary with barrel length, the stock is certainly heavy and the piston is definitely not a toy!
Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike - guess what day it is? Ok - it's Thursday, not Wednesday, but still! :)
 
Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike - guess what day it is? Ok - it's Thursday, not Wednesday, but still! :)
We'll get some group pix sometime this weekend, but for the rest of the story, I have a .270wsm in 24" barrel with black comfortech stock, I paired it with a bushnell nitro ffp 3-12x44. It balances right on the mag. Loaded and scoped as I have it, with 2 rounds on the sling, total weight is 10.1 lbs. For my purposes, it has worked beautifully. I use it as my med long range rifle and for prairie goats if fast follow ups are needed. I use it in combination with my bog deathgrip for longer ranges that I would normally have a mounted bipod for. All of my friends and family members (including a very scrawny 13 yr old.... she's gonna steal it) love it. I did order a longer lop recoil pad as standard was a bit short for me. The design of this screams comfort. There are left and right handed recoil pads iirc. I've had zero issues with it from a good hard season of abuse (though I did have to clean some grit out of my spare mag from a nasty 4wheeler journey, the follower would bind up ever so slightly, very tight tolerances). The retaining nut needs tightened roughly 1x every 1.5 months of casual hunting, 2 weeks of hard hunting, and is done easily with the sling swivel. If the nut is loose, you have the wrong ammo, or haven't shot it much (est. 50-100 rounds) I have heard accuracy can suffer. It is a precise system and if maintained, has no problems, i.e. as a truck gun, clean the grit and check the nut once a week. We burn ammo without encouragement so the first 50 rounds down the tube wasn't even a conscious effort lol. The forend contour and stippling provides a natural positive grip, as does the pistol grip rear.

The recoil system is a whole other game, the chevrons disperse the recoil outward so that felt recoil is similar to a .308 (maybe lighter slightly) but pushes more like a shotgun than snaps like a magnum rifle, in .308? It'd probably tickle. The recoil pad itself is even contoured to slip naturally into "the pocket". If I wanted the gun itself to handle faster than it already does, I'd get the walnut configuration, but I like it the way it is...... In .308, walnut, might be just dandy!
Eta I've seen the posted weights for the .308 at 7 lbs, if you don't overkill the scope like me, I think sub 9 is realistic.
If the overall weight is that big of a deal but still are drawn to the Benelli specific features, then I'd recommend the lupo.
Edited for lack of caffeine leading to incomplete thoughts on original posting.
 

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More pix+bog, it fits like a glove.

The self cleaning piston concept is pretty awesome too, basically they just put the port closer to the chamber so that the hotter gases burn through, keeping the piston from gunking up.
 

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Well, as follow-up : I've ordered one in 308 from EuroOptic along with a tall cheekpiece from MGW. The plan right now is to pair it with low lightweight bases from Talley and 2-10 Razor HD LH, or maybe a 3-9/36 Z3. I probably ought to order an extended recoil pad to pull the LOP out a bit more (that's how I have the M2's set up) but I may just steal one from an M2 until I can afford yet another bazillion-dollar Benelli accessory.

As an aside - I asked Benelli three (3) times over the last two (2) weeks if the 308 was a true short action or just used the long action of their other offerings, and they couldn't be bothered to reply. I assume the latter, since every other chambering that they offer is a long action chambering (and that's OK, because it gives me magazine options if I want to load long and maybe a 300WM if I decide that I hate having money and need to punish my ears).
 
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Well, as follow-up : I've ordered one in 308 from EuroOptic along with a tall cheekpiece from MGW. The plan right now is to pair it with low lightweight bases from Talley and 2-10 Razor HD LH, or maybe a 3-9/36 Z3. I probably ought to order an extended recoil pad to pull the LOP out a bit more (that's how I have the M2's set up) but I may just steal one from an M2 until I can afford yet another bazillion-dollar Benelli accessory.

As an aside - I asked Benelli three (3) times over the last two (2) weeks if the 308 was a true short action or just used the long action of their other offerings, and they couldn't be bothered to reply. I assume the latter, since every other chambering that they offer is a long action chambering (and that's OK, because it gives me magazine options if I want to load long and maybe a 300WM if I decide that I hate having money and need to punish my ears).
Ummmmm you're in for a surprise....
 
Roger that. I didn't buy the 308 thinking that I would make it into anything longer - I was just rationalizing why it would be OK. :)

My most-used chamberings are 22-250, 257 Roberts, 308, and 358 Win, so I'm pretty OK with a true short action.
 
The barrel and action come as an upper if you will, my wsm has its own wsm designated mag, swapping barrels from .308 to .300 win mag will include a new bolt and "upper" receiver, all you'd need is the longer mag. Did you get the black comfortech or the walnut stock?
 
The barrel and action come as an upper if you will, my wsm has its own wsm designated mag, swapping barrels from .308 to .300 win mag will include a new bolt and "upper" receiver, all you'd need is the longer mag. Did you get the black comfortech or the walnut stock?
Roger - that's pretty much how the M2's are constructed.

The question that I asked Benelli was whether I could substitute a 30-06 barrel / mag on the 308, which would be a useful thing. Sadly, I have not yet received an answer. If the 308 is built on a long action, then their alternative chamberings become feasible if I ever decide to try something else.

I went ComforTech, since I am buying this specifically for the replaceable comb option that the BAR did not offer.
 
Roger - that's pretty much how the M2's are constructed.

The question that I asked Benelli was whether I could substitute a 30-06 barrel / mag on the 308, which would be a useful thing. Sadly, I have not yet received an answer. If the 308 is built on a long action, then their alternative chamberings become feasible if I ever decide to try something else.

I went ComforTech, since I am buying this specifically for the replaceable comb option that the BAR did not offer.
According to mgw, there is a short action, read product description:
https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/81134
Can't find .308 action length spec though:
https://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgwi/prod/81155
 
Roger - that's pretty much how the M2's are constructed.

The question that I asked Benelli was whether I could substitute a 30-06 barrel / mag on the 308, which would be a useful thing. Sadly, I have not yet received an answer. If the 308 is built on a long action, then their alternative chamberings become feasible if I ever decide to try something else.

I went ComforTech, since I am buying this specifically for the replaceable comb option that the BAR did not offer.
Looking at my mag and bolt travel, I will guesstimate that is long action, my mag has a block behind cartridge to keep wsm forward, so unless otherwise found, I'd say it's truly long action to be universal and cartridge specific mags dictate the length of shell used.
 
I picked mine up (308 Win/ComforTech plastic stock, #11778) on Friday last week. Here are some first impressions:

The rifle bits all display the same fit/finish of the M2; good machining and surface finish, plastic bits where appropriate but a lot of anodized aluminum in general. The rifle comes with all of the shims/etc. needed to adjust stock cast/drop, along with a five-screw-attachment Picatinney/MIL-STD-1913 rail. All the R1s are drilled at the factory for the optional iron sights; about my only complaint with the cosmetics / build quality is that the holes are plugged with cheezy plastic screws if the sights aren't factory-installed, and the plugs aren't flush with the barrel. (Yes, it's a tiny nit, but it's worth mentioning. How hard would it have been to spec the plugs 1mm shorter?) This is pretty much the package as shipped in the box (with the optional tall comb already installed by the time I thought to take the pic):

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Assembling the rifle requires that you be pretty good with Ikea furniture; the thick manual is thick because it's printed in seven languages and not because it's very detailed in all areas. For example, there is no description of how to install the bolt into the barrel assembly (requires pulling the charging handle out of the bolt) before putting the barrel onto the receiver, so if you're not already pretty comfortable with mechanical assembly and how semiauto rifles operate - well, I can see how it may be a challenge. Another example - there is no reference in the manual for the need to push the plastic plugs in the scope base mounting holes out of the barrel hood prior to installing the barrel onto the receiver, but once you proudly get it all bolted together for the first time you'll quickly realize that you can't pry the plugs out from outside of the receiver/barrel and have to disassemble things again to either push them out from the inside or fish them out of the trigger pack if you mistakenly push them in from the outside. None of this is hard, but the manual doesn't present a lot of help in that regard. It probably took me 30min to go from in-the-box to fully set up with optic (but not not leveled or boresighted).

Since the receiver top (actually, technically it's an extended barrel hood) is solid, the rail scope base is well positioned to accommodate a pretty wide range of mounting needs, fore and aft. I used various Leupold Rifleman rings as a way to determine the proper height for my needs, and Talley one-piece mounts are now on order. Not that there's anything wrong with the rail and rings, but I prefer a one-piece mount. When assembled with the optional tall comb ($86!), a Vortex Razor HD LH 2x-10x plus base/rings but empty mag and no sling, the package weighed in at 8lb12oz. I didn't weight it without the base / rings / optic, but that's within expectations given the advertised weight for the rifle of 7.1lbs. That's not super-light, but not bad for a semiauto 308Win-to-338 WinMag class rifle.

To address a question regarding action length, the answer is..... Benelli runs one action length for all R1s, and uses blocked magazines and a removable bolt travel limiter for the short-action chamberings. It's actually a pretty clever system, in that it allows the shooter to convert from any offered short action to any offered long action. In my case, conversion to 30-06 would require a new barrel and magazine, and conversion to a WinMag chambering would require barrel / bolt head / magazine. As far as I can tell, a bolt head is shipped with every conversion barrel; no, the kit ain't cheap, but at least it's complete (minus the magazine, I assume). The magazine box itself (taking the block out of the picture) measures 3.360" wall-to-wall, so supported max OAL for any R1 in any chambering will be just under that.

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Speaking of the magazine, so far the only mechanical nit that I have found is that the mag release on my example is super-tight and it's pretty hard for my poor arthritic fingers to depress the release far enough to get the magazine free. Hopefully, it'll loosen up a bit over time. It should also be noted that the bolt stop is linked to the magazine follower, as most are, but the bolt release can be used to hold the bolt back without the magazine inserted (just like an AR and unlike, for example, the Remington semiautos).

The rifle shoulders naturally (as you would expect for a rifle whose ergonomics are based on a shotgun) and the grip/forearm offer good grip and natural curves for hanging on. Carried in the hand around the house (there's snow on the ground, and being Texas that means that everything is shut down), the rifle feels narrow but tall; it doesn't settle quite as well in my hand as, say, the guppy belly of a Savage 99 or a O/U shotgun. On the other hand, it also doesn't have any protruding bits to get in the way of finding a good hand position, either. It's very flat and narrow, so it should carry well when slung or slipped into a scabbard. The balance point of the rifle-mit-optic is barely aft of the front receiver ring, as it were, and the mass is very centered - both the buttstock and barrel are pretty light. All in all, it should be decent to carry (which is my intended use).

Given the snowstorm and current temps (3F), I haven't been able to shoot it yet. I have a bunch of generic blasting ammo kicking around in an ammo can that I made some years back for the LR308s, and I'll see how the rifle performs as soon as things warm up a bit.
 
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I picked mine up (308 Win/ComforTech plastic stock, #11778) on Friday last week. Here are some first impressions:

The rifle bits all display the same fit/finish of the M2; good machining and surface finish, plastic bits where appropriate but a lot of anodized aluminum in general. The rifle comes with all of the shims/etc. needed to adjust stock cast/drop, along with a five-screw-attachment Picatinney/MIL-STD-1913 rail. All the R1s are drilled at the factory for the optional iron sights; about my only complaint with the cosmetics / build quality is that the holes are plugged with cheezy plastic screws if the sights aren't factory-installed, and the plugs aren't flush with the barrel. (Yes, it's a tiny nit, but it's worth mentioning. How hard would it have been to spec the plugs 1mm shorter?) This is pretty much the package as shipped in the box (with the optional tall comb already installed by the time I thought to take the pic):

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Assembling the rifle requires that you be pretty good with Ikea furniture; the thick manual is thick because it's printed in seven languages and not because it's very detailed in all areas. For example, there is no description of how to install the bolt into the barrel assembly (requires pulling the charging handle out of the bolt) before putting the barrel onto the receiver, so if you're not already pretty comfortable with mechanical assembly and how semiauto rifles operate - well, I can see how it may be a challenge. Another example - there is no reference in the manual for the need to push the plastic plugs in the scope base mounting holes out of the barrel hood prior to installing the barrel onto the receiver, but once you proudly get it all bolted together for the first time you'll quickly realize that you can't pry the plugs out from outside of the receiver/barrel and have to disassemble things again to either push them out from the inside or fish them out of the trigger pack if you mistakenly push them in from the outside. None of this is hard, but the manual doesn't present a lot of help in that regard. It probably took me 30min to go from in-the-box to fully set up with optic (but not not leveled or boresighted).

Since the receiver top (actually, technically it's an extended barrel hood) is solid, the rail scope base is well positioned to accommodate a pretty wide range of mounting needs, fore and aft. I used various Leupold Rifleman rings as a way to determine the proper height for my needs, and Talley one-piece mounts are now on order. Not that there's anything wrong with the rail and rings, but I prefer a one-piece mount. When assembled with the optional tall comb ($86!), a Vortex Razor HD LH 2x-10x plus base/rings but empty mag and no sling, the package weighed in at 8lb12oz. I didn't weight it without the base / rings / optic, but that's within expectations given the advertised weight for the rifle of 7.1lbs. That's not super-light, but not bad for a semiauto 308Win-to-338 WinMag class rifle.

To address a question regarding action length, the answer is..... Benelli runs one action length for all R1s, and uses blocked magazines and a removable bolt travel limiter for the short-action chamberings. It's actually a pretty clever system, in that it allows the shooter to convert from any offered short action to any offered long action. In my case, conversion to 30-06 would require a new barrel and magazine, and conversion to a WinMag chambering would require barrel / bolt head / magazine. As far as I can tell, a bolt head is shipped with every conversion barrel; no, the kit ain't cheap, but at least it's complete (minus the magazine, I assume). The magazine box itself (taking the block out of the picture) measures 3.360" wall-to-wall, so supported max OAL for any R1 in any chambering will be just under that.

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Speaking of the magazine, so far the only mechanical nit that I have found is that the mag release on my example is super-tight and it's pretty hard for my poor arthritic fingers to depress the release far enough to get the magazine free. Hopefully, it'll loosen up a bit over time. It should also be noted that the bolt stop is linked to the magazine follower, as most are, but the bolt release can be used to hold the bolt back without the magazine inserted (just like an AR and unlike, for example, the Remington semiautos).

The rifle shoulders naturally (as you would expect for a rifle whose ergonomics are based on a shotgun) and the grip/forearm offer good grip and natural curves for hanging on. Carried in the hand around the house (there's snow on the ground, and being Texas that means that everything is shut down), the rifle feels narrow but tall; it doesn't settle quite as well in my hand as, say, the guppy belly of a Savage 99 or a O/U shotgun. On the other hand, it also doesn't have any protruding bits to get in the way of finding a good hand position, either. It's very flat and narrow, so it should carry well when slung or slipped into a scabbard. The balance point of the rifle-mit-optic is barely aft of the front receiver ring, as it were, and the mass is very centered - both the buttstock and barrel are pretty light. All in all, it should be decent to carry (which is my intended use).

Given the snowstorm and current temps (3F), I haven't been able to shoot it yet. I have a bunch of generic blasting ammo kicking around in an ammo can that I made some years back for the LR308s, and I'll see how the rifle performs as soon as things warm up a bit.
Current weather has been my excuse for not getting some group pix up for ya lol! Good news is, the recoil impulse is addictive enough to break in that barrel on the first outing, oughta really tickle with the .308 :D
 
I picked mine up (308 Win/ComforTech plastic stock, #11778) on Friday last week. Here are some first impressions:

The rifle bits all display the same fit/finish of the M2; good machining and surface finish, plastic bits where appropriate but a lot of anodized aluminum in general. The rifle comes with all of the shims/etc. needed to adjust stock cast/drop, along with a five-screw-attachment Picatinney/MIL-STD-1913 rail. All the R1s are drilled at the factory for the optional iron sights; about my only complaint with the cosmetics / build quality is that the holes are plugged with cheezy plastic screws if the sights aren't factory-installed, and the plugs aren't flush with the barrel. (Yes, it's a tiny nit, but it's worth mentioning. How hard would it have been to spec the plugs 1mm shorter?) This is pretty much the package as shipped in the box (with the optional tall comb already installed by the time I thought to take the pic):

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Assembling the rifle requires that you be pretty good with Ikea furniture; the thick manual is thick because it's printed in seven languages and not because it's very detailed in all areas. For example, there is no description of how to install the bolt into the barrel assembly (requires pulling the charging handle out of the bolt) before putting the barrel onto the receiver, so if you're not already pretty comfortable with mechanical assembly and how semiauto rifles operate - well, I can see how it may be a challenge. Another example - there is no reference in the manual for the need to push the plastic plugs in the scope base mounting holes out of the barrel hood prior to installing the barrel onto the receiver, but once you proudly get it all bolted together for the first time you'll quickly realize that you can't pry the plugs out from outside of the receiver/barrel and have to disassemble things again to either push them out from the inside or fish them out of the trigger pack if you mistakenly push them in from the outside. None of this is hard, but the manual doesn't present a lot of help in that regard. It probably took me 30min to go from in-the-box to fully set up with optic (but not not leveled or boresighted).

Since the receiver top (actually, technically it's an extended barrel hood) is solid, the rail scope base is well positioned to accommodate a pretty wide range of mounting needs, fore and aft. I used various Leupold Rifleman rings as a way to determine the proper height for my needs, and Talley one-piece mounts are now on order. Not that there's anything wrong with the rail and rings, but I prefer a one-piece mount. When assembled with the optional tall comb ($86!), a Vortex Razor HD LH 2x-10x plus base/rings but empty mag and no sling, the package weighed in at 8lb12oz. I didn't weight it without the base / rings / optic, but that's within expectations given the advertised weight for the rifle of 7.1lbs. That's not super-light, but not bad for a semiauto 308Win-to-338 WinMag class rifle.

To address a question regarding action length, the answer is..... Benelli runs one action length for all R1s, and uses blocked magazines and a removable bolt travel limiter for the short-action chamberings. It's actually a pretty clever system, in that it allows the shooter to convert from any offered short action to any offered long action. In my case, conversion to 30-06 would require a new barrel and magazine, and conversion to a WinMag chambering would require barrel / bolt head / magazine. As far as I can tell, a bolt head is shipped with every conversion barrel; no, the kit ain't cheap, but at least it's complete (minus the magazine, I assume). The magazine box itself (taking the block out of the picture) measures 3.360" wall-to-wall, so supported max OAL for any R1 in any chambering will be just under that.

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Speaking of the magazine, so far the only mechanical nit that I have found is that the mag release on my example is super-tight and it's pretty hard for my poor arthritic fingers to depress the release far enough to get the magazine free. Hopefully, it'll loosen up a bit over time. It should also be noted that the bolt stop is linked to the magazine follower, as most are, but the bolt release can be used to hold the bolt back without the magazine inserted (just like an AR and unlike, for example, the Remington semiautos).

The rifle shoulders naturally (as you would expect for a rifle whose ergonomics are based on a shotgun) and the grip/forearm offer good grip and natural curves for hanging on. Carried in the hand around the house (there's snow on the ground, and being Texas that means that everything is shut down), the rifle feels narrow but tall; it doesn't settle quite as well in my hand as, say, the guppy belly of a Savage 99 or a O/U shotgun. On the other hand, it also doesn't have any protruding bits to get in the way of finding a good hand position, either. It's very flat and narrow, so it should carry well when slung or slipped into a scabbard. The balance point of the rifle-mit-optic is barely aft of the front receiver ring, as it were, and the mass is very centered - both the buttstock and barrel are pretty light. All in all, it should be decent to carry (which is my intended use).

Given the snowstorm and current temps (3F), I haven't been able to shoot it yet. I have a bunch of generic blasting ammo kicking around in an ammo can that I made some years back for the LR308s, and I'll see how the rifle performs as soon as things warm up a bit.
So have you had a chance to go play yet?!?!?
 
The Talley bases were delivered late last week, and last Friday I put some rounds downrange using the blasting ammo that I made many years ago for my CETMEs and FALs. Functioning was 100%, and accuracy was 2" for a 10-shot group @ 100yds, shot off a front improvised rest (sandbag). The trigger seems a limiting factor for me making small groups at the moment; it's long and squishy and heavy and I was definitely pulling the gun around a bit since I wasn't using any sort of rear support. I've made a batch of ammo that should be more appropriate for the rifle (150gr Hornady Interlock, 43.5Gr H322 @ 2.750" OAL) and I'm going to try to go back out this Friday to see how things go.
 
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