Shooting "Paradox"

Palladan44 · Mar 11, 2021

I usually shoot my best cold or toward the beginning of my shooting session.
I talking about practice with handgun draw, mostly with Glock 19 or 17.
The groupings at the beginning tend to be slightly better than the ones at the end (lets go with a 2.5" group rather than a 2"). And the speed at which these are performed are not a factor.

Do i become slightly jitterry or shaky after about 50-70 rounds? Does the barrel heat up and make for an ever so slightly wider group? Am I psychologically becoming less interested in the and care less about precision (thats a good time to stop training) Ive never been able to really figure this one out. Im not worried about it, because there is no problems, its actually a good thing. But cant figure out the why part

Navy87Guy · Mar 11, 2021

Part of the answer probably lies in how the groups change: Do they spread up? Down? Left? Right?

It could be your hands getting tired, or maybe your anticipation flinch gets greater the longer you shoot. Since I've been training with a laser system (and getting a lot more trigger time), it's highlighted how much hand strength I've lost compared to when I was live firing several hundred rounds per week. That seems to cause my trigger control to get worse as my hand gets tired, and I start jerking the trigger more than pulling it smoothly. YMMV.

mcb · Mar 11, 2021

Fatigue is probably the primer factor. With a handgun the accuracy difference between cold and hot bore is nearly negligible at typical handgun distances. That fatigue can not doubt be physical and/or mental. Practice can extend that but it catches up with most shooters eventually. When I first started USPSA competition I noticed fatigue setting in much faster than after a few years of competition it would not be come noticable until much higher round counts. Just like any physical activity training and practice work make you better at it and give you more endurance.

pbearperry · Mar 11, 2021

Everyone has a recoil tolerance point. When you reach it, your body starts to respond to it, sometimes as a shaking of the hands etc.

Speedo66 · Mar 11, 2021

"Shooting paradox" Shooting two doctors? (Sorry, that was a Dad joke, but bad even for me.)

Maybe after a while, while somewhat unnoticeable, the weight of the repeated holding of the gun fatigues your hand causing a minor shake?

doubleh · Mar 11, 2021

I'm going with fatigue. Try taking a couple of short breaks during those 50-70 rounds and see if things improve. It certainly won't hurt and costs nothing.

DustyGmt · Mar 11, 2021

Often I shoot my best when I'm alone

Demi-human · Mar 11, 2021

DustyGmt said:
Often I shoot my best when I'm alone

Me too! I also, conveniently enough, lose the targets...

I’ll also would consider fatigue. Try putting a set of sights on a seven pound weight for practice. Or get a Desert Eagle and dry fire it.

Rembrandt · Mar 11, 2021

I've experienced a similar paradox only with trap shooting. First 3-to-4 rounds (25 targets per round) did great, by the time I'd reached 200 rounds scores were dropping and it was time to go home. Fatigue set in and concentration was spent.

Waveski · Mar 11, 2021

I believe that there is a significant psychological factor. If you are anything like me you are overthinking it.

“ Boy - that first group is pretty good! I’m ON today...I gotta figure out what I’m doing right and not screw it up!”

Shooting , golfing, that’s how I start out hot and then get yippish.

Palladan44 · Mar 11, 2021

Waveski said:
I believe that there is a significant psychological factor. If you are anything like me you are overthinking it.

“ Boy - that first group is pretty good! I’m ON today...I gotta figure out what I’m doing right and not screw it up!”

Shooting , golfing, that’s how I start out hot and then get yippish.

I always shank the first drive. Always!

film495 · Mar 11, 2021

best after 10 warm up rounds or so. if I shoot too long, even a .22 will make me blink, and dip the muzzle if I load a dummy round. it is fatigue or just becoming weary from the noise and recoil.

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