Hi-caps in danger?

To be clear, the only AR style magazines I would consider "high capacity" are the Surefire 60 and 100 round magazines, and 100 round drum magazines since they are designed to hold many more rounds than the original magazines.

But I agree, the actual definition doesn't have to make any sense, it just has to be whatever they write down in black and white in the bill for it to be effectively enforced. Just like the terms "assault weapons" and "weapons of war" are idiotic and meaningless. My rifles have never assaulted anybody, and wars aren't fought with AR-15s. Just more corrupt lawmakers legislating that which they know nothing about.

That .gov is defining a term is what we should want so it isn't ambiguous which is a common complaint about laws in general... that they aren't well defined leads to varying definitions based individual biases and thats a real problem in the court house when you're the defendant.

It also allows us to argue against a proposed finite definition rather than against a non defined moving target term.


Either way, 11+ round mags were 1st put on the naughty list over 25 yrs ago. That's true and factual.

In real life, try telling anyone that got a felony that their convictions were imaginary.


PSA: Its Large Capacity Magazines. They don't use the term high capacity magazines. Search link above.

Some are nit picking a term they don't even use.

To be honest I am not that concerned. What happens, happens. There is not much I can do as the last election put the gun grabbers in place. We have to wait for the next series of elections to replace them. Those that endured the last magazine restrictions probably are stocked up with the standard design capacity magazine for their weapon of choice as opposed to restricted capacity. Those that are now in power mostly do want an incident to occur that would affect their ability to govern.

Ohen Cepel said:

Those are not "high capacity" magazines, please don't perpetuate those terms and that belief. If the pistol was designed to hold a 15rd magazine, then that is the standard capacity for that pistol. Yes, some states have limited that but it is still the standard. Same for a rifle, if made for and normally sold with 30rd mags that is the standard capacity.

That said, anything can happen. Will they make them illegal to have or grandfather them in? If illegal then you may be out some $$ and have to go buy the castrated ones. Or, if grandfathered then they may be very valuable to you for the rest of your life. Only you can make that call though.

There are millions of new gun owners, many I think voted for the current administration who may not be happy becoming felons for the magazine they bought 6mns ago. So, maybe they will grandfather things. Guessing what politicians will do is anyone's wildest guess.

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I have always taken care to refer to them for what they are, standard capacity magazines. We let the other side take complete control of the terms and vernacular and now we have "assault weapons" "high capacity magazines". I wish we were, as a group, a lil more diligent about speaking accurately and precisely. If we have been paying attention, we know these seemingly lil things that might seem insignificant, actually make a difference over time.

If this bill gets its legs and enough traction to look like it will pass in the senate, somewhere magpul will be loading up trucks and dispatching them to the state capitols and passing them out like Halloween candy. I love magpul, their products are outstanding and they are a solid company.

I have posted, in another thread, the Democratic Party platform adopted in 2020 and its provisions on restricting Americans’ gun-rights. Banning “assault weapons” which may mean any semi-auto firearms and “high capacity magazines” which may mean any magazine capable of holding more than 10 rounds. Legislation to do just that has been introduced in the House and Senate. President Biden’s “Gun Czar”, Bobby O’Rourke is on video stating clearly “Hell yes, we’re coming for your AR15s”. None of this is a surprise.

https://Democrats.org/where-we-stand/party-platform/

With about ten Hungarian Tanker mags - this is the only type - for my three imported AKMs, and three proprietary mags for the Czechpoint VZ-58, these are enough.
We won't be fighting any Ramadi 2 in my residential area--ever. That would be only movie fantasy.

For people with a new gun interest in 2020 (or in future years) who were broke and had no gun money, my sympathy.

No matter what passes in the Senate, many of these new AR, AKM, VZ owners will have a friend who might sell them an extra "normal capacity" mag or two.

I'm not going to minimize the legislative effect. Colorado pulled this crap in ... 2008 (?). Of course while it was pending, there were those that bought as many greater than legislated (how's that for standard vs hi capacity ) magazines. Fine, whatever. But the legislation HAD to incorporate a grandfather-in. Otherwise it would have constituted an illegal taking, e.g. your vehicle runs on fossil fuel, therefore we're confiscating it. So we bought up greater than legislated capacity magazines.

But wait. Do magazines have a born on date? A "best used before" date? Of course not. There is no way to determine an acquisition date. So there was no action to take them out of existence. Once again a completely ineffectual piece of legislation, almost unenforceable and practically unprosecutable. The same would probably apply to an excessive tax or requirement for NFA registration. Present ownership grandfathered in. YMMV, IANAL, etc

-jb, again marveling at the stupidity of the smart people elected

CA grandfathered mags... then later eliminated while avoiding the illegal taking.

A sane judge overturned it... got appealed... and currently...

The law sits tied up in the 9th and still in effect.

I have a double barreled rifle. At what point does it become a "high capacity" rifle?

vintovka said:

Meanwhile "i am told" the laws were largely, if not openly, defied

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Since 1994 in CA (aside from a very brief window) .... just amongst the criminals.

I'm sure it happens but I don't even hear whispers of it happing which makes me tend to think it very close friends, family, and the typical criminals.

I would believe its ignored in the early times when a new law is passed but CA has had them on the naughty list for 25 yrs. Older ppl have died off and all the new shooters have grown up with the restriction.

Part of the plan.... groom the new generations.

Ohen Cepel said:

Using their terms doesn't help us is my point. We now have deer rifles which they call "assault weapons" (another totally made up term if you look at it legally or militarily) and stand magazines which are now "high cap". Add in their attacks on us with "common sense" and "reasonable" laws to further illustrate their attempt to lie about all facets of the debate.

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JR24 said:

Indeed by using their terminology (hi caps, "assault weapons") we are already ceding ground to the grabbers and their distortion of the English language.

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DustyGmt said:

I have always taken care to refer to them for what they are, standard capacity magazines. We let the other side take complete control of the terms and vernacular and now we have "assault weapons" "high capacity magazines". I wish we were, as a group, a lil more diligent about speaking accurately and precisely. If we have been paying attention, we know these seemingly lil things that might seem insignificant, actually make a difference over time.

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Sorry if I'm straying off the OP's topic but... all of these ^^^. I never cease to be amazed at how often many of us acquiesce to the anti's twisting of facts, logic, and terminology... and still think we will be able reach some "common sense" ground with them. Believe it or not, they have an agenda with a very specific end goal. Every "common sense" compromise we make regarding laws, policies, language, etc. NEVER benefits us, does it?

All of the mags I own for every gun are standard capacity so I'm not too worried.

Beyond that we currently have a lawless group that has stolen power so take from that what you will.

Yes many area's, New York and California have outlawed mags over 10 rounds and most people are simply ignoring the law and getting by with it. What happens when state or federal officials decide to go after anyone they deem to be a political danger to them for having standard capacity mags, after all they are breaking the law. What this law does more than anything is force a large segment of the population into keeping their mouths closed and staying out of any political discourse to avoid being noticed.

I don't buy anything that uses a magazine over 10 rds anymore. The reason is the state that you live in can turn those into contraband overnight. Then what will you do with those? Turn them in or sell them if you can find a buyer. I'd rather not deal with that, thank you. I advertised some 13 rd Sig mags for a lot less then I paid and no takers. That's what you get when they're still legal in most states. When they get a federal restriction like in CA you might as well throw them in the garbage.

Don't think the supreme court is going to overrule a district court ruling. They haven't to date and they won't. It is what it is. If congress passes a UBC (likely), mag restriction or AWB #2 it stands, just like it did before. Go to jail if you want. I'd rather sleep in my own bed. I'm fine with 10.

I loaded up on over 10 capacity mags a while ago, knowing something like this may happen. I recently bought a 10 round mag for the AR, really just to allow the gun to sit lower on the shooting bag at the range. I was going to wait to get it, but if anything passes, sure the 30 rounds will sell out quick, but the 10 round legal ones will also sell out, as the 10 rounder may be the only one allowed at your public range.

Not wanting to think negative, but what if they ban mags over 10 rounds, and all of the 10 rounders are out of stock and over 10 rounders can't be made. Instead of ammo shortage, now there is a mag shortage...

ozarkhillbilly said:

Yes many area's, New York and California have outlawed mags over 10 rounds and most people are simply ignoring the law and getting by with it. What happens when state or federal officials decide to go after anyone they deem to be a political danger to them for having standard capacity mags, after all they are breaking the law. What this law does more than anything is force a large segment of the population into keeping their mouths closed and staying out of any political discourse to avoid being noticed.

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Are you going to take those to the range. What exactly is a political danger? The off duty sheriff that shoots in the lane next to you isn't going to determine whether or not you're a 'political danger". He's sworn to uphold the law. If he see's you with contraband my guess is you're under arrest.

Doc Samson said:

Believe it or not, they have an agenda with a very specific end goal. Every "common sense" compromise we make regarding laws, policies, language, etc. NEVER benefits us, does it?

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Which reminds me, since the goal seems to be hijacking the 1st and 2nd, I'm trying to decide on whether I want the other side to be legally obliged to call me "lord dusty" or "master dusty". Seriously, we should get down in the dirt with em and calling out every thing we can, the high road approach isn't working out. No offense fam...

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Are you going to take those to the range. What exactly is a political danger? The off duty sheriff that shoots in the lane next to you isn't going to determine whether or not you're a 'political danger". He's sworn to uphold the law. If he see's you with contraband my guess is you're under arrest.

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My comment was for the folks who say, its no big deal if they ban mags no one is coming for them. If you have to hide them then what good do they do you? Political danger is anything or anyone who stands against their ideas or beliefs, and going after them criminally for anything you can think of. This has happened way too many times, in Austin TX and Alaska to name a couple of places. Most of us don't want to give up our rights or be forced into silence. Do you really think if we let them have everything over 10 rounds that they will stop there, New York didn't. California is removing three handguns for each one it accepts on its "Not Unsafe List" and its dropping around 7% to 8% off the list every year, and now you have to have a background check for ammo. Washington and Oregon are not far behind.

No one has "to agree to disagree" with anything. That's one of the pet phrases leftists use to insult everyone who doesn't fall in line with their views. As the "urban dictionary" explains, it a way of insulting someone without really calling them an idiot. It's always amazing to see someone so intent on bragging about how many organizations they belong to and where they are "contributing members." Lengthy "contributions" to more than a dozen different forums, all with a political agenda. Just leaves some folks wondering, who's paying the bills. This will probably get me booted, but at this point in the leftist destruction of the country, it really doesn't matter.

Maybe the "lawmakers" will look to places like Italy and outlaw calibers the military and law enforcement use... like 9mm and .223. Whatever they do, it's sure to affect the ebb and flow of popularity of handguns and calibers. The last mag capacity ban saw buyers saying... "Why buy a fat 10 round 9mm gun when I can buy a slim 9 round .40 or .45" Unintended consequences?

I'll wait and see, nothing else to do.