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Light mounted on the gun seems silly to me.
I have mounted a light on a shotgun. Decided that was a bad Idea; to point the light, you have to point the gun.
I do have a pistol with a conventional long eye-relief pistol scope that blocks the iron sights for hunting or game purposes; I decided to mount a laser sight on the scope IF I needed to use it for point and shoot for close range use. The laser is an aiming point,, separate from illumination.
 
It kind of just doesn't make sense tactically to me. Like, if you have a light on your weapon because you're expecting to use that weapon to defend your life, shining a big bright light in the dark makes you the biggest target in the world.

I know this isn't that type of a forum so I won't go off on some odd hypothetical here but, if I was a bad guy breaking into your house, and someone comes into the hallway with a big bright light -- I'd just shoot towards that light and probably not miss at all because it's immediately now the biggest target in the entire environment.

Conversely as the homeowner in that scenario the next thing coming immediately after bad guy gets disoriented by the blinding light, is bullets.

But yeah, most likely I'm just turning on a light to see. A flash light would be most useful in seeing what my dogs are chewing on at the time, since that's what would be what happens if a bad guy enters the home (apart from the wailing alarm) by the time I get up and out of my room.

For the OP?

I think Glocks, especially Gen 2 or 3 are asthetically pleasing. Particularly the 19/23 size. Simple, clean, functional.
 
But what if the bad guy isn't where you're shining the light?

I do concede you agree with the original point and don't want to start a debate here, but just kind of reiterating this does not seem like a good idea.


Honestly if someone breaks into my house or something and I can't see them I'm going to turn on a light from another room. I'm not going to start shining a flashlight around in hopes that I can see them or pointing my rifle at people to determine if it's an intruder or if my mom got drunk and walked to my house on accident.
This was a night foot patrol tactic. Leaving the patrol cruiser and checking buildings was required on each watch post. (There weren’t any fully foot patrolled beats) No patrol partners in this small New England city , and no body radios either. One told dispatch where one was then no radio contact until finished the area check.
So not necessarily at tactic when engaging a bad guy. Fortunately I never discovered if it was effective or not and decided after three years other means of employment was more productive.
 
Very unpopular opinion that will probably get my head bitten off on this forum but I'm past the point of caring - the game commission is often pedantically litigious and intentionally obfuscates or changes rules with the direct intention of busting people on inconsequential stuff for the sake of making money. This organization is primarily funded from fines and sales of licenses.

Ergo, rules are also written to accommodate suburban dwelling wealthy hunters who spend all sorts of money rather than the masses of impoverished folks (like my family) who hunt out of necessity and subsistence. Moreover, most hunters are savagely defensive of these same institutions that constantly screw them over and often mindlessly cling to tradition for its own sake without any consideration or exploration of reason and because they generally fear change.


Since 2003, in my state I have seen:

  • The game commission just straight up stop offering paper versions of the game manual with your license because (apparently) everybody has a smart phone and takes it with them into the woods when they go hunting and it never runs out of batteries. I'm sure this has absolutely nothing to do with game commission officers trying to enforce laws they don't understand and then getting called out by people who carry a paper manual on them or the fact that they were then charging money for paper copies of the book. Again, great for rich yuppies who want to spend a few thousand renting a "deer camp" to drink and get away from their wives. Not so great for those of us who grew up needing deer to subsidize our food sources -- many of whom come from families without access to technology, internet, or are largely illiterate. You might think I'm joking, but this is how I grew up.
  • No hunting on Sundays. I've spoken with everyone from congressmen to hunters for years on this. No reason is ever offered. The closest thing I've heard even resembling a reason is that most hunters seem to think the answer is (and I quote) "Well that's god's day!" This is stupid for countless reasons, but the primary one being that the Sabbath is actually Saturday (look it up). This notwithstanding, not everybody follows he same religion anyway so we're literally talking about ignorance upon ignorance here. Oh and by the way, this doesn't count for crows for some reason. Apparently god hates crows or something.
  • Now you can hunt on Sundays, but only on certain Sundays for certain animals. Why? No reason is given. You can hunt on Sundays in basically any state in the country, but my state is just protective of Sundays. For those of us who work for a freaking living, Sunday is sometimes the only day I can get out, or might be the only day where it's not raining. There have been seasons where I spend over $200 on a license with all my tags and get to go hunting 2 days because of rain.
  • License price inflation. General licenses are now $20, and nonresident license are over $100. That doesn't include any of your stamps or special licenses, which can easily put you over $100. Want to do archery? That's $16. Want to do muzzleloader? That's $11. Then they started changing what was covered under the general license. For example, pheasant licenses used to be covered under your general small game license, now it's $26. Nonresidents often pay over $350 to hunt our land.
  • Different horn lengths on different deer get banned and unbanned without apparent reason. Spikes used to be legal, not they're not. Then they became legal depending on how old you are (why). The current rule is "An antlerless deer will remain defined as a deer without antlers, or a deer with antlers, both of which are less than 3 inches in length. Hunters are required to abide by “three up”; three points, including the main beam counted as one of the points, on one side, excluding the brow tine (the point immediately above the antler burr). Mind you, this last point is only for 1A, 1B, 2A, 2B & 2D. :scrutiny: Not sure about you guys, but the deer never stand around when I go after them with my ruler.
  • Hunters and people in general act like deer is the only thing that's in season. I hunt all year round and eat everything including pheasant, grouse, dove, squirrel, rabbit, waterfowl, and groundhog. I've had several people confront me in the woods "WHAT ARE YOU HUNTING? HUNTING SEASON IS OVER!!"
  • The license expires on a goofy time. If you buy a 2020 license, when does your license expire? You'd think in 2021, but you're wrong! It expires in mid June of that year! This isn't in the manual, but on the third flap of your license in tiny letters. Why is it done this way? Deer season is in the winter? Then why doesn't it expire after deer season and in the middle of the summer? Again, no explanation, but you can expect to pay over $300 if your license expires.
  • On several occasions, I have called the game commission to clarify on rules, only to find they don't know the answers and then they get all huffy that I wasted their time asking. This includes asking about a graph that lists legal hunting hours of water fowl all year round, when on a different page entirely it lists that waterfowl is only legal within a few months out of the year.
  • People extremely resistant to allowing semi-automatics for hunting. The same people moralizing about how "no true sportsman" needs a semi-auto or how "it isn't fair to the animal" are almost inevitably the same ones that are fat as crap, relying on motorized transport to their hunting grounds, and using a perfectly sighted in $300+ optic on some sniper rifle in a $100+ tree fort. They've never hunted wild hog. They've never hunted groundhog. They don't know anything about ballistics or haven't used modern weapons. They just like what they like and anyone who disagrees isn't a real sportsman. Again, most of the states in the country are allowing it, but they're all not true sportsman because they're not using some bolt-action bullcrap to shoot their animal.
  • The amount of power given to the Game Commission is insane. Game commission in my state have the same power as police officers and can make arrests on laws unrelated to conservation. That is, they can come into your house or shed if the door is open without a warrant. They also can go onto private property without a warrant if they "have reason" to believe you're poaching. Again, some of the laws are so draconian that there are people who have gone to county jail for hunting violations.

We still need game commission and my experience is that many of them are hard working, nice folks. But let's not overcomplicate stuff. You don't need a manual the size of a phone book with hundreds of yearly changes. Let people hunt with the weapons they feel most comfortable with and put rules for the most extreme cases. We don't need different seasons, times, dates, rules, antler sizes, and bird sexes for every single WMU. We don't an entire paragraph detailing what kind of bullet ogive can and cannot be used to shoot a groundhog.

You guys have more rules on hillbillies shooting squirrels than the Geneva Conventions had on shooting people.

Take that energy and time to focus on Chronic Wasting Disease, rabies, or blights that actually kill people and wildlife.



People are going to be mad about this, but the reality is the same people crying in their beer about how unappreciated the great and noble game commission are the same ones scratching their heads about why hunting is dying in popularity. The sad truth is that the quicker you lose hunters, the quicker you're going to lose your gun rights.

Fellow Pennsylvanian?
 
i won't insult you, but anyone telling me they shoot 22lr at 300 yards with any success, I will ask them to prove it in front of me. My Savage will do 1/2" at 50 yards all day, even in moderate winds, but at 100, that goes up to 6", from bullet drift. 300 seems unrealistic. I tell people to get a Glock. Nothing will burn you from the sport more than an unreliable first gun. Unlikely to get that with a Glock. BTW, im a 1911 guy.

I do like your thread idea.
 
People are going to be mad about this, but the reality is the same people crying in their beer about how unappreciated the great and noble game commission are the same ones scratching their heads about why hunting is dying in popularity.
Bureaucracy has killed many activities. My theory is that in any endeavor, the amount of bureaucracy is proportional to the amount of corruption the bureaucracy is set up to protect. If you can’t penetrate the thicket of rules and regs, you’ll never reach the corrupt politicians.
 
I don't like buying guns that require magazines* because every gun I've bought that requires magazines* didn't come with enough of them.

A push pin receiver AR15 is already a takedown gun.

I like grip activated lasers on carry handguns and home defense handguns.

I don't like carry guns that hold 5 rounds of ammo or less.

I like weapon lights (with a broad flood area) on carbines, that are operated with a momentary switch by the non-trigger hand.**

I like shooting .22 magnum for the fun of it.

*The detachable kind.
**I had to be specific considering the prior commentary.
 
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Mine?

You can kill an elephant with a .22 if you put the bullet in the right spot. And therefore arguments about what to use for what hunting is rather silly. Pick something you like shooting, figure out the limitations and go.

By chance, are you my grandfather reincarnated?? He was a rough and tough ol cowboy that was a WW2 vet, used to say the exact same thing!!!
 
My favorite unpopular opinion is in self defense, whoever makes the first solid hit wins. Not necessarily the first trivial hit and certainly not the first loud and unpleasant noise.
My almost favorite unpopular opinion is a high capacity semi-automatic rifle or handgun or shotgun is preferred by the "ten or twelve initial shots fired into the air" crowd.
My third placing favorite unpopular opinion is the claim "...8x56Rmm (Austrian) round has vicious recoil..." comes from those who think 5.56x45mm is a real rifle round.

In fact, many of the unpopular opinions mentioned are ones with which I agree.

Only a few of them do I ever question myself.
 
My unpopular flame inducing opinion is that a 9mm is a perfectly suitable concealed carry pistol. Had an obnoxious unliked co-worker who is a die hard 40 cal glock guy tell me that a 9mm cannot stop a full grown man. I kindly asked him to step out to 10 yards and let me shoot him with my 9, and he looked at me like I was crazy. I argued that HIS point was that it wouldn’t stop him! Sadly, he still wouldn’t let me prove my point.
 
Not trying to get burned here, but sometimes I think that what should be a force of roughly 80 million strong, isn't. And if we get stomped so badly and so often, do we even deserve what we have, and that this next generation coming up, what is surely to be the weakest in human history, it will all surely be lost unless we get our hats on straight and new radical action is taken and we put these kids back on the right track....
 
Very unpopular opinion that will probably get my head bitten off on this forum but I'm past the point of caring
Looks to me like you have a valid list of complaints against numerous idiots in a poorly and inefficiently managed game department. I 'm not gonna try to bite off your head and I don't think anyone else is either.
 
People are going to be mad about this, but the reality is the same people crying in their beer about how unappreciated the great and noble game commission are the same ones scratching their heads about why hunting is dying in popularity. The sad truth is that the quicker you lose hunters, the quicker you're going to lose your gun rights.

I teach Hunter Safety. It's a known fact that the reason hunter numbers are decreasing has nuttin' to do with how many regs there are. It has to do with lack of access to decent hunting areas. Those folks without deep pockets to buy a good parcel of private land, or don't have a non-hunting farmer for a friend, have to rely nowadays on public hunting land. There many of them have to deal with heavy pressure, negative hunting experiences and lower success rates. Those places generally are more heavily policed too. Thus after a few years of dealing with crowds of idiots with guns, because they do not have to hunt to eat, they move on to hobbies where they get more a more positive experience. Nuttin' wrong with many public hunting areas, I hunt some myself, but they are not what folks are used to seeing on T.V.

As for the idea that hunters are going to save all our gun rights. One does not have to be on a gun forum very long before they read the term "Fudd". This is a negative label put on hunters by chest pounding 2nd Amendment supporters. While interest in hunting by women is increasing at a good rate, the biggest gain in gun owners in not from hunters, but folks that just like to shoot guns. These folks don't hunt, don't care about hunting, and thus don't buy licensees/stamps/tags that help support the enforcement of gun regs and proper habitat. A vicious cycle. Less places to hunt makes for less hunters. Less hunters buying licenses makes for less area to hunt. The primary focus of antis is not in the guns and equipment most hunters use, thus, unless the hunter is also a gun enthusiast, the first controls will not affect him. #0 round mags? Heck, he ain't shot 30 rounds in the last ten deer seasons. Probably doesn't feel the need to have 3 loaded 30 rounders in his pockets besides the one in his gun. Bump stocks and pistol arm braces are not something you see in the field regularly. Heck, I have yet to see any there. Loosing them won't affect many hunters.

Game Commissions, State F&G and DNRs for the most part do a good job with what they have to work with. In my state, congress thinks they need to get involved with making game regs, many times dissing what the DNR and it's game biologists come up with. They change/make laws to get votes, not to help the deer herd or to improve the quality of the hunt. One of the first places budgets get cut is game and fishery departments. One reason you don;t see your paper regs is because of budget cuts. Finding things online is what folks do now. Heck, you don't get owner manuals for anything anymore, just a card with the .com address to go to on the box. In the last decade I haven't bought a hunting license, registered/renewed the tags for my boat or UTV or even registered a deer or turkey, other than online. Hard to even find a local mom and pop or LGS that registers deer and turkeys anymore. While I don't mind, I know it does make it hard for some. But I don't see it as taking my gun rights away.
 
No hunting on Sundays
I agree 100% that this is nonsense. The animals don't know what day it is, and all religions (or no religion) are supposed to be accepted in the US, not to mention the idea that hunting is a relaxing activity on this "day of rest" being a valid argument- the "day of rest" for Jews is Saturday, with the muslims so designating Friday- so should all hunting be banned on all Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays so as not to offend any specific religious group? And it is patently unfair in that the varying work schedules people have shouldn't prevent them from enjoying natural resources due to what day of the week it is.
 
I guess a lot of my opinions are unpopular at least in some places. A few are as follows:

  • Open carry of handguns is foolish. Open carry of rifles borders on mental retardation.
  • Putting an NRA sticker on your truck does not constitute supporting the 2A.
  • The 1911 is a very poor defensive gun for most people. I'll pass on a 3 lb gun with 7 rounds. For that kind of weight you could carry a powerful handgun. But they're great range toys.
  • Manual safeties contribute very little to safety.
  • Red Dot Sights are the future...hell, they're the present, too.
  • Defensive guns have WMLs. Guns without a WML are range toys.
  • Pistol "braces" are stocks. Pretend they're not if you like but have a plan B for when they're treated as stocks by the ATF. Look at an SBA3 and tell me that it's not a stock!
  • Everyone should own at least one AR. It's the rifle of the American proletariat.
  • AR 15s are the best defensive long gun available to most people (if their locale permits). They do many things well and are extraordinarily versatile while having few downsides.
  • Half the crap hanging off your AR serves no purposes. WML, RDS, sling- that's 95% of what you need. Obviously NVG and suppressors are great if you have access to them. But don't think every inch of M-Lok or rail space has to be filled.
  • Shotguns are great for HD if you know how to run them. Don't overthink it, 00 Buck will do the job.
  • Your CCW sidearm should be loaded with quality ammo. It needn't be gimmicky but it should be a well vetted load. Eschew anything that doesn't run well in your particular gun. But use ball if it's all you have; don't let perfection be the enemy of the good.
  • You shouldn't CCW a sidearm that has less than 200 perfect rounds through it with your chosen ammo.
  • Yours will not the only gun in the gunfight. Plan accordingly with first aid and/or armor.
  • Glocks suck but everyone should have one (although I'll admit I don't).
  • The .25 ACP in your hand beats the .45 ACP back in your glove box.
  • If all of your preaching is to the choir then you're not doing the 2A much good. Take a black, female or gay person shooting! The future will be gayer and browner than the present, embrace that demographic truth.
  • The folks that most dislike being called a FUDD tend to be the ones that constantly bash the younger generations.
  • Ceteris paribus more rounds beats less, but don't get overly hung up on capacity in your CCW.
  • If you CCW a 32 oz gun you can carry a spare 8 oz magazine.
  • A heavy sidearm will probably not get carried everyday, and if you don't carry it every day it'll be dumb luck if you have it the day you need it.
  • When someone claims to have shot an animal offhand at some improbably range, divide the stated range by two and subtract 50 yards- that's probably close to the actual distance of the shot.
 
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