Ruger and the Marlin Levergun

NOBODY knows until Ruger brings them out...........ALL ELSE is pure expectation and not facts.

The elimination of the cross bolt safety, and the inclusion of transfer bar.

Also a bunch of polymer and laminate stock options, and cerakote and brushed stainless metal finish options. Maybe even a scout rail/ghost ring iron sight combo, with a lower tac rail.

I wonder if they could make a 454 Casull lever gun. The Win ‘92 is apparently strong enough but I don’t know about the Marlin 1894; doesn’t seem as robust.

Ruger/Marlin in .327 Federal Magnum please. And while I am dreaming, let it also function with .32 S&W Long and .32 H&R Magnum.

DM~ said:

I expect to see "cast" receivers, instead of "forged"! And, that's not something I want to see...

Oooohhh, and that stupid warning stamped all over the barrel!!

DM

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I would prefer not as well, but if they can figure out how to equal the strength of the forged receiver without increasing dimensions, eh.

That said, if they acquired the forging dies with the purchase, it may not be feasible to change, since the TDPs are already refined with conventional machining of the forged part. They'd have to pretty much start over from scratch to use investment castings.

Bush Pilot said:

Am I right in assuming that gun kicked like a mule?

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Yes, they kick quite hard, and Im worried the tang design on the butt stock is not adequate for harder recoiling cartridges. Mine is developing some cracks. Other than that, and the slow twist rate, they are awesome.

DocRock said:

I wonder if they could make a 454 Casull lever gun. The Win ‘92 is apparently strong enough but I don’t know about the Marlin 1894; doesn’t seem as robust.

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It's probably strong enough, but they're known for becoming "sticky" with really high pressure loads (.44 mag +P), so the 336 action with a lever throw restrictor and some other mods for the short cartridge would be a better fit.

I expect to see a conceptually excellent product with abysmally poor QC. Isn't that Ruger in a nutshell.

rabid wombat said:

What is the change in profit forged vs cast...the right number, and the change will happen before you know it....

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I guess we’ll see, won’t we?...soon, I hope.

Buckeye63 said:

Now that Ruger owns Marlin...
What do you expect to see ???

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I expect a continuation of the REP look but with much better quality control. Why do I say that, the REP look? Because Remington spent a lot of money developing actual drawings and CNC data and and Ruger paid near $30 million for mostly just that and the name and maybe a few machines. Ruger has specifically stated so, are setting up new CNC manufacturing cells to build Marlin rifles. They will be running the REP data to guide those mills and adjust as needed to suit Ruger.

And further, I was never a REP hater as JM Marlin had gone downhill long before REP got a hold of them. I also expect the Ruger guns to be functionally better than any yet, REP or JM. Now will they have the burned on wood of ages yore, the answer is no. Expect more "tactical" lever guns, modern looking rifles as well as exactly what is in the catalog on the current Marlin site that has been left up by Ruger, I would assume with some extrapolation as a hint. And if so, the information left up on the Marlin website, by Ruger, states the gun are forged. I do not think that an oversight but a window into what is coming.



Ruger has had plenty of time to change the information that they seem to have left up on purpose.

WrongHanded said:

The elimination of the cross bolt safety, and the inclusion of transfer bar.

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I sure hope not because the CBS is easily removed and for folks who grew up with them a non-issue. The transfer bar does not allow traditional half cock which is preserved with the CBS and removing the CBS for those who must is easy via several kits or home machining, pretty easy to do. I like the Bear Tooth Mercantile delete. And the CBS, when used as intended, eliminates the possibility of a negligent discharge slip when decocking the rifle.

https://beartoothmercantile.com/basic-safety-delete-for-marlin-rifle/

If only we had DPris here. Rest easy young man.

I’ve seen many companies absorb, buy out, or merge with others over the years. Normally in the beginning theirs no major changes, over time changes come and go, very unpredictably.
I don’t really see why this situation would be much different.

I’m just saying 2 years from now a thread “what changes has Ruger made to Marlin” will probably be a fairly short thread, but as The Happy Kaboomer said this is all just speculation.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say 1894 in 327 with good fit and finish, standard rifling, and a .316" bore diameter. And when your cast bullet hits the target sideways at 50 yards Ruger will reply that its "in spec." Hope I'm wrong.

bannockburn said:

I would love to see a Model 39A that was affordably priced.

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Me to, there's the chiappa copy, one magazine I got had one it didn't look to bad.

I believe there’s a chance Ruger will continue with the Model 60.

cdb1 said:

I believe there’s a chance Ruger will continue with the Model 60.

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Ya me to, it's one of the best selling 22 ever along with the 10/22

Far better to keep the 22 rifle that is the main competitor to yours in the stable and making revenue than killing it and letting someone else make it.

A wish list that probably will not happen...

I'd love to see periodic runs of old time cartridges such as 32-20, 25-20, 218 Bee etc.

More availability to guns chambered in 38-40 and 44-40 cartridges.

And some other old time cartridges.

While I can buy unusual cartridge lever action guns, I'm probably in the minority and production runs will be minimal or non-existant.

Anyway, I hope Ruger makes some nice Marlin lever guns. I'd be in the market regardless of chambering.

3Crows said:

I sure hope not because the CBS is easily removed and for folks who grew up with them a non-issue. The transfer bar does not allow traditional half cock which is preserved with the CBS and removing the CBS for those who must is easy via several kits or home machining, pretty easy to do. I like the Bear Tooth Mercantile delete. And the CBS, when used as intended, eliminates the possibility of a negligent discharge slip when decocking the rifle.

https://beartoothmercantile.com/basic-safety-delete-for-marlin-rifle/

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I am used to having the cross bolt safety. However, I'd like the cross bolt safety a whole lot better if it blocked a cocked hammer from letting go into that CBS. I wouldn't mind if Ruger figured out a way to make that happen.

It's rare, but I've dropped the hammer with a loud clank when I've pulled the trigger and thought I'd pushed the safety off.

Edit to add: I sound like a broken record.

I agree with the reasoning of some of the last few posts.

The model 60 will stay. Doesn't make sense to hand your competitors customers by discontinuing the most popular rifle.

Ruger could have copied it before but probably wouldn't have captured even 1/2 of the sales # thereby severely diluting ROI. By keeping the 60, they will retain probably 90% of the model 60 sales.



They'll still use forged receivers until tooling or sales decline. Doesn't make sense to pay so much $ for largely useless data files by immediately going cast. They could have just bought one then 3D'd it to copy and adjusted from there to create the casting process.... for a lot less $ than they paid for it.

Nothing should be stopping them from using the same suppliers and nothing would stop them from using comparable suppliers.

The could probably, fairly easily, cast some internals pretty quick it they want to increasing that business end and taking control of mfg/qc.


It's not uncommon for companies to buy another to increase their ability in an area that is not in thier core competency in order to break into new markets and increase sales.

Id guesss over the next couple of years well see different variations of largely the same Marlins; variations that probably wouldn't have been offered before. Of course, any lazy dog products would be at risk to be eliminated sooner rather than later.

After spending $30mil, changing to all cast receivers would logically be predicated on sales and tooling wear.

At least thats what I've been told by the Corp Execs and have experienced 1st hand in other industries.

Wishful thinking on my part but I would love to see a 460 and 500 magnum lever gun that doesnt cost $3000. I think Ruger will go the 454 casull or 480 ruger route though and I would definitely buy either one

Sistema1927 said:

Ruger/Marlin in .327 Federal Magnum please. And while I am dreaming, let it also function with .32 S&W Long and .32 H&R Magnum.

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And even though I already own a Henry in 327 I would probably end up with a Marlin as well.

And a 32-20 and a 44-40 and a (drags self off by the ear)...

The Happy Kaboomer said:

NOBODY knows until Ruger brings them out...........ALL ELSE is pure expectation and not facts.

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Hey, quit raining on our parade!

jeff-10 said:

Likely see lever guns in calibers that they weren't previously chambered for such as 10mm, 327, 454, etc. Also, likely see a BLR type rifle come out at some point.

I somehow cannot imagine though we will ever see a Model 60 again. At one time it was the 10/22's main competitor.

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If i could get my hands on a ruger made marlin model 60 i would be ecstatic.

I always preferred Marlins. I longed for a Marlin in .41 Magnum, but the cost was always prohibitive for me, so I bought a Henry. I would love to see Ruger bring back the Marlin in this caliber.