What would you choose?

The cz p-07/09 is a really underrated platform.

P227 is no longer made, I believe mags are also no longer made and had feedings issues.

My CZ P09 is one of my most accurate and softest shooting pistols I own.
The kadet option for the CZ is roughly 400 bucks if you can find one.

None of the above.

Navy87Guy,

You already own some of the best of the best
when it comes to handguns.

Save your money for something really special
from Beretta or SIG or maybe Colt.

This is a gun forum guys, he should buy all three.

sevt_chevelle said:

P227 is no longer made, I believe mags are also no longer made and had feedings issues.

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I seem to recall the feeding issues got worked out, but the gun wasn't in production for long so there isn't going to be a lot of support for that gun.

While not my favorite model in the APX line-up, I'd probably pick the APX Combat https://www.beretta.com/en-us/apx-combat/

SIG P-227 vs. two plastic pistols? Whaaat?

SIG still supports the P-227. A great pistol. Plastic pistols... dime a dozen. Will always be available. Get a classic. Did I mention it's in the All-American caliber? .45 ACP?

Definitely the CZ. It’s two guns in one.

I'd have a hard time not going for the P227. But I like CZ's quite a bit.

Old Dog said:

SIG P-227 vs. two plastic pistols? Whaaat?

SIG still supports the P-227. A great pistol. Plastic pistols... dime a dozen. Will always be available. Get a classic. Did I mention it's in the All-American caliber? .45 ACP?
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Bingo.

I like almost any CZ, but the designer that came up with the styling of the P-07 sure isn't related to any of the preceding CZ designers. So, on style points alone, I can't ever pick a P-07 even with a .22 conversion kit. Well maybe if the whole P-07 package was offered at 1/3rd retail, that'd be hard to pass up.

Of course, someone like me has enough rimfire handguns that I don't need a conversion kit for shooting .22 ammo.

I went for the CZ P07 with the .22 conversion and not because I actually own both of them. Well maybe it had something to do with it but the gun itself is ergonomic and feels very good in my hand. Sights come up on target quickly and easily. I also like that I could swap out the decocker for a thumb safety so I can carry it in Condition One if I want to. The .22 conversion kit is quality all the way through and was like icing on the cake when I got it!

My modest CZ collection:

Good choice.

chicharrones

I like almost any CZ, but the designer that came up with the styling of the P-07 sure isn't related to any of the preceding CZ designers. So, on style points alone, I can't ever pick a P-07 even with a .22 conversion kit. Well maybe if the whole P-07 package was offered at 1/3rd retail, that'd be hard to pass up.

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When I went to the gun store I really wanted to check out the new SIG P365 because with my small hands it usually mean good things happen with small guns. Well I checked out the SIG and came to the conclusion that it it was 1) too small even for me, and 2) the trigger was way too light without a safety. So I started to peruse what other offerings were in the display case and spotted a P07. As soon as I picked it up and held it I knew this was definitely a more substantial gun than the SIG but in a good way! I really liked that extra heft and the gun felt nicely balanced and pointed very naturally for me. The trigger was very good in DA and even better in SA. And when I got it home and was reading the manual (shocking I know), and found out I could change out the decocker with a thumb safety I was extremely pleased and quite happy with my new CZ P07!

Navy87Guy

I'm getting the P-07...but the extra 7 oz of weight is going to make it a tough sell for carry! (That’s 2 oz heavier than my M&P!)

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Strange as this may sound I actually liked the extra weight of the P07. After handling the P365 and feeling how ultralight it was, especially for a 9mm., I found the added ounces made the gun settle in my hand, easier to control, and keep on target.

I picked the Beretta mostly because you can try out a red dot sight if you don’t already have one. Plus the trigger reach on DA/SA guns is usually an issue for me.

Navy87Guy

Well when I got the P07 I was thinking of using it primarily as a range/home defense gun with some occasional time as a CCW. In that way the gun's weight wasn't all that big of a deal to me.

Haven't had a chance to check out the P365XL but would like to see how it compares to the standard P365 and the Springfield Armory Hellcat. Currently I carry a Kahr CM9 and while I love it's small size and weight I wouldn't mind going up in mag capacity that these newer 9mm.s offer.

The P07 just seems like an iligitimate Glock child. Not fond of the trigger but the grip is better than the Glock and it's a fine personal protection gun. Reliable for sure. Plenty accurate

The Sig is a love it or hate it thing it seems with most people. I like the. Not love.

Wasn't the APX the gun that they announced then took 2-3 years before actually releasing?

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The P07 just seems like an iligitimate Glock child. Not fond of the trigger but the grip is better than the Glock and it's a fine personal protection gun. Reliable for sure. Plenty accurate

The Sig is a love it or hate it thing it seems with most people. I like the. Not love.

Wasn't the APX the gun that they announced then took 2-3 years before actually releasing?

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The APX has been out for going on 4 years now. It was released shortly after the military trails around the same time Glock and Sig released the Glock 19X and Sig M17 respectively.

Navy87Guy said:

I have a very unusual opportunity through a good friend who is a dealer to buy a gun basically at cost. I have a choice between the three guns listed in the poll -- with all of them coming in at around the same price. All three are NIB. I have a weakness for all three brands, so I'm interested in the collective opinion.

Looking forward to the feedback!

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I guaranty you that almost all who commented have zero experience with all three options. They are most likely voting for the brand or pistol that they are personally familiar with.

My vote would be the APX and the P07.. Don't see the point in getting the Sig being that it's out of production and mags and spare parts are hard to come by.

Being that I assume most know little to none about the APX, here are some key features:

1. Breaking the entire frame down to only a polymer shell as well as breaking down the slide is quick and easy. Makes cleaning and parts swaps a breeze.
2. It has an under cut trigger
3. Stainless steel serialized chassis system which makes the gun modular.
4. Steel recoil spring assembly that last 20k rounds before the springs need to be changed. The recoil spring assembly is user serviceable, e.i., you can change the springs on the stock guide rod without having to buy a whole new assembly.
5. Decent grip texturing that's aggressive but not too aggressive.
6. Has an out the box trigger that's better than many other pistols in it's class IMHO. It's around 6lb stock and 4.5-5.5 with the Beretta's $10 Competition Striker Spring installed.
7. 10, 13, 15, 17, and 21 round factory mags are all interchangeable similar to Glock mags. However, Beretta offers OEM grip sleeves that take up the extra space. The APX in my pictures is a Compact (Glock 26 size) with the 15 round Centurion (Glock 19 size) mag and grip sleeve. Mags can be found on sale on a regular basis for between $16-$25. I purchased 10 in various sizes and capacity at separate times all for under $20.
8. It's ambidextrous (not a feature that matters to me, but thought I'd mention it).
9. Has a striker de-activator just like the M&P, so you can, but don't have to pull the trigger to field strip.
10. The feel and fit and finish is on par with other $400-$500+ firearms like M&P, Glock, CZ, etc..
11. Has a low bore axis
12. The APX Combat ships with an optic cut slide and threaded barrel; however, unlike with most other optic cut handguns being sold, Beretta includes the steel mounting plates for all the popular red dots that are currently available on the market. Optic places usually sale for $40-$100 each, but Beretta includes several for free.

Unlike other polymer pistols on the market, the APX has only been around for little over 4 years. It was created to compete in the military trails vs Glock and Sig, but Beretta only had a prototype at that point (as I understand it), and Glock and the P320 were well established.

Even still, the Beretta APX is sold in over 21 different countries, and is issued by military and L.E. in the following counties and counting: Albania, Algeria, France , Indonesian, Italy, Kazakhstan, Lebanon, Poland, Seychelles, Thailand, and Brazilian thus far internationally (Brazil ditched Taurus and just recently ordered 159,000 APX pistols). The Gallatin (TN), Wetumpka (AL), and the Glendale Heights (IL) police departments use them in the U.S. This list has grown substantially within the past year as more and more places around the world are slowly adopting them.