New Sig P365 in .380. Why??

not everyone likes heavy recoil. Lots of people practice with their carry gun. .380 costs me less than 9mm to reload.

Trey Veston said:

9mm is heavy recoil??? Perhaps some would be better served with pepper spray if they think 9mm is heavy recoil.

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Slow your roll. I know a couple of folks who are fine with the recoil of the 9mm in service pistols, but it's too much for them in the P365.

MistWolf said:

Slow your roll. I know a couple of folks who are fine with the recoil of the 9mm in service pistols, but it's too much for them in the P365.

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Id be one of those, and I shoot some pretty hefty loads in my service size handguns.

Ive never shot a 365, I DID shoot a hellcat, and that thing was snappy with my buddy's hot 124s, but very controllable. I find the 9mm Shield with its thin grip uncomfortable to shoot with hot ammo. I dont know how anyone would shoot a 9mm lcp more than once, the .380 stung pretty good.

Trey Veston said:

Heard that Sig has produced the P365 in .380 acp.

I have no idea why.

You gain no increase in capacity, no decrease in size, but get less effectiveness and increased cost of ammo with less availability.

I have no idea why anyone would want the P365 in .380.

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This puzzles me as well. First, as the owner of a couple or three P365s, the recoil is negligible at best, easily manageable for probably most folks. Second, my experience with lightweight .380s (even steel-framed little .380s) is that the recoil is oft snappier and more pronounced that a comparable-sized pistol in 9mm. I once owned a Mauser HSc that had stupid snappy recoil, and my Walther PPK/s was not much better in that department.

Anyone who'd think the P-365 demonstrates "heavy recoil" has never shot one. And as far as cost as a factor, why would anyone worry about cost anyway when opting for a clearly inferior caliber?

File this under the "if it ain't broke" section... The 365 in 9mm seems to have found the sweet spot for size, weight, caliber, capacity and ergonomics... don't need fixin'...

If they make the slide easy to rack, I know exactly why, and what demographics they are going after. And, unless you are at it near that point, like my wife is, you would not understand.

P365 is a delayed blowback pistol, right? If so and they kept that design they will have one of the few (only?) 380s with a delayed blowback in that size class in current production. The reason guns in 380 like the PPK and HSc seem so snappy for the cartridge is they are direct blowback. Sure, for most people the 365 in 9mm is manageable if not pleasant to shoot. The word "most" implys there are people out there that the recoil is not manageable and you will have to explain to me in small words why they don't deserve to have options that fit their situation on the market when it comes to self defense. Add in lower recoil people are probably more likely to practice if they are on that teetering edge of the 9mm not being an option. Personally I'm more interested in the 380 version because I probably won't be carrying either 365 but it would be nice to have something in that class for introducing new shooters. I haven't had my tea yet this morning so probably a little cranky so sorry about that but my point still stands.

Trey Veston said:

Heard that Sig has produced the P365 in .380 acp.

I have no idea why.

You gain no increase in capacity, no decrease in size, but get less effectiveness and increased cost of ammo with less availability.

I have no idea why anyone would want the P365 in .380.

https://americanhandgunner.com/handguns/popular-sig-sauer-p365-now-available-in-380-acp/

https://shootingindustry.com/first-look/popular-sig-sauer-p365-now-available-in-380-acp/

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Sig needs you in their marketing department, or have you as a consultant.
Yes, I am being sarcastic.

Most likely this is to enable SIG to sell more guns in countries that don't allow civilians to own guns in "military" calibers.

Here's a thread that discusses what I just said.

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/military-calibers-and-countries-that-ban-them.843154/

viking499 said:

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This is why.

I had honestly thought about it being a good idea for Sig to do this before I learned that they were going to do it. They will sell a lot of them to people with less tolerance for recoil. My wife is very averse to recoil. This might be a viable choice for her.

In the same gun a 380 has half (or less) the recoil than the 9mm.

Greg Ellifritz's data shows no significant difference in effectiveness in the mid- to large size handgun calibers.

Folks who criticize .380s should regale us with tales about their .50AE or .500Magnum pistols and never mention 9mm European poodle shooters.

somethingbenign said:

P365 is a delayed blowback pistol, right?

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The P365 is recoil operated.

gc70 said:

Folks who criticize .380s should regale us with tales about their .50AE or .500Magnum pistols and never mention 9mm European poodle shooters.

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I believe many people consider 9mm/ .38 Special the minimum they will carry. In all honesty I consider the 9mm my personal minimum. I don't care to carry anything smaller. Other people aren't me though & I tend to believe it is better for someone to make a hit with a .380 than a miss with a larger caliber.

With modern ammo 380 is equal to 9. No. But you see how silly the "9 is equal" arguments are.

380 is lighter recoil for some women.

Not my cup of tea, but guessing that they will have no problems selling every one that they make.

Mike J said:

I believe many people consider 9mm/ .38 Special the minimum they will carry. In all honesty I consider the 9mm my personal minimum. I don't care to carry anything smaller. Other people aren't me though & I tend to believe it is better for someone to make a hit with a .380 than a miss with a larger caliber.

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Without delving too much into another pointless caliber war, with .380 in small guns you generally have to select either adequate (as determined by the FBI, for whatever anyone believes that is worth) penetration, OR expansion but rarely both.

9mm is much easier to achieve both in many loads, which is why I agree I generally consider it my minimum.

Personally I didn't find the 365 snappy or unpleasant at all to shoot, nothing like a 938 or Kimber Micro, and really only found it too small for my hand, so I wouldn't see any advantage at all in .380.

But, hey, these will sell and if folks like em more power to Sig.

I'm glad they did this. I like my 365 and when my arthritis prevents me from being able to shoot it I can use the .380 version. Plan for the future, it gets here quicker than you think.

More handguns in 380 is a good thing!

More options are a good thing. I'll say this, I like 9mm and while I've had some of the smaller 9mm's like the G43 and 43X, I just prefer the G42. I do think 9mm is better than 380, as most do, but the way the G42 shoots is just...well, better. The 380 has put many a grown men in the dirt, it's no joke and if you do your part, chances are you'll be okay with a 380.

Trey Veston said:

9mm is heavy recoil??? Perhaps some would be better served with pepper spray if they think 9mm is heavy recoil.

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Its not me, its biology. Some people have arthritis. I carry a Keltec P11, which kicks much harder. .380 is not a wimpy cal, no matter how brainwashed the internet consuming public wants it to be. A lighter caliber for a given weight, and lock time will always be more accurate in a stressful time. Hearing damage from a .380 will be somewhat less than 9mm.

Trey Veston said:

I have no idea why anyone would want the P365 in .380.

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If and when the infirmities of old age come to you, then you'll understand.