Iver Johnson 1911 w full stock and long barrel

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These msrp at 8 something.

If weirdness were a plus, but it had to be a weirdness that shoots well, then would this be a interesting gun to you?

Is the 1911 that it’s built on, a decent-quality 1911?

Add in a regular barrel and some way to get the stock on and off, and how is this not the world’s best PCC?

or to put it another way, when you buy your first 1911, why on Earth would you not get this one ?
 
Been done a few times in the past.

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I like that the long barreled Luger offers a wooden forend to hang on to. Without one I don’t know how easy that 16” barreled 1911 would hold/shoot.

Stay safe.
 
I can't imagine a fast draw from any known holster that wouldn't cause a self inflicted gunshot wound or the loss of ones pants. :)
 
From the few reports I've heard, these guns struggle to cycle the slide due to the extra 11 inches of metal hanging out front.

As for the best PCC - this is far from it. It only hold 8 rounds (up to 15 if you don't mind a giant magazine hanging down) with no place to put your off hand for support.
 
Bad idea on a tilting barrel. Great idea on a fixed barrel, or at least a barrel that stays in linear alignment. Also bad idea to lengthen the barrel for this setup, so double trouble bad idea.

Bad idea on a fat and slow cartridge without a lot of recoil or noise. Wouldn’t be that surprising to not notice a squib and kaboom the boom boom. If this were one of the blowback 22s then it could be very interesting.
 
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These msrp at 8 something.
Overpriced


If weirdness were a plus, but it had to be a weirdness that shoots well, then would this be a interesting gun to you?
No, because it doesn't make a better carbine than my current carbine.
No, because an arm braced pistol with pistol length barrel is more reliable and easier to conceal and deploy.
No, because it isn't as concealable as other stocked pistols (NFA & non NFA) or pistols with an arm brace.
The IJ has virtually no collector value.



Is the 1911 that it’s built on, a decent-quality 1911?
Not for $800.



Add in a regular barrel and some way to get the stock on and off, and how is this not the world’s best PCC?
Not only is it "not the best", its in the running for the world's worst PCC.
If I want something 26" OAL.......I'll carry an AR.
How do you envision carrying the IJ? In a holster with the stock and long barrel in a backpack? When you need a carbine........"Just a minute while I disassemble my functional pistol, swap out the pistol barrel for the 16" bbl and reassemble with the shoulder stock". ....."Now I'm ready to shoot a gun that likely will not cycle through a full magazine".



or to put it another way, when you buy your first 1911, why on Earth would you not get this one ?
First, I tend to buy guns that are good value for the $$$$. For the same $800 I could buy any number of 1911 pattern pistols that would offer better fit, finish, function and hold their value better than that IJ abomination.
Second, collectability. That IJ has none. Shoulder stocks on handguns were stylish a hundred years ago, their usefulness as a PCC is debatable. Mauser C96, Artillery Lugers, FN & Inglis Hi Powers, Spanish Star and dozens of other stocked handguns exist. Some are removed from the purview of the NFA (no tax stamp required).
 
It's kind of neat. I would have to put it on a tax stamp. That barrel is just too ridiculous.
 
I remember reading Guns & Ammo as a kid in the 1980's and seeing a issue with some custom 1911 rifles. It was very intriguing at the time and seemed very cool. When I showed it to our local gunsmith who was pretty good with 1911's he started to laugh.

I can't seem to find the article right now, but I did find this picture.

I don't think the owner was getting very good groups with this one:

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I remember reading Guns & Ammo as a kid in the 1980's and seeing a issue with some custom 1911 rifles. It was very intriguing at the time and seemed very cool. When I showed it to our local gunsmith who was pretty good with 1911's he started to laugh.

I can't seem to find the article right now, but I did find this picture.

I don't think the owner was getting very good groups with this one:

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How on earth is that meant to be used? Is there some kind of barrel sleeve that the foregrip is attached to? Because if that handle is attached to the barrel itself...I am speechless.
 
I bought the main spring housing and stock from Sarco , I think it was , in the 80s. I didn't know it was illegal on a 5" pistol precomputor age:) I gave the two pieces to a friend y the end of 80s as there was too much drop in the stock and afellow officer said it was contraband. I had a stocked Broom handle Mauser , which I sold which was legal and currently have a Canadian produced Chinese contract Inglis HP with holster stock that shoots very nice if you keep your hand away from the slide. 30 round Korean HP magazines work well :) That model with original shoulder stock is NFA exempt.
 
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Colt's entry in the light rifle competition that led to the adoption of the Winchester .30 Carbine was a long slide 1911 with detachable "plank" style shoulder stock and 11" barrel; a slot and bracket on the side of the shoulder stock held an extra 20rd single column magazine. Testers thot it had merit as a pistol, but was awkward and clumsy as a rifle, and was .45ACP not .30 Carbine.

Decades ago I saw a carbine kit with shoulder stock and 16" barrel for 1911 pistols. The sample gun was really not impressive. But obviously the idea lives on.
 
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