Zendude
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Cocked and locked in the series 80s should work.
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JR24
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Still getting used to my HK but I do have to say that I like having the safety to use for any administrative handling, and I've noticed on the range if I'm moving and shooting I instinctively work the safety like I do with a 1911, but I don't quite love it's location enough to go full cocked and locked carry.
The Taurus 92 and the Beretta 92x Performance (?) Would be far more tempting to just go fully cocked and locked.
JR24
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Agree, deciding to buckle down and learn a DA trigger has improved all my shooting across the board. Should have done that years ago.
Some 80 Series can be carried cocked and locked some cannot. 84F for example cannot.
loneviking
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If that safety comes off, you’re three or four pounds away from a disaster. Is that really worth it? Why don’t you learn to shoot a 1911 platform that’s designed to be safely carried cocked and locked?
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I'm with Agarn---Keep practicing to learn the DA trigger pull.
Jim Watson
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There are Taurus and HK with decocker and safety so you have your choice.
While a CZ75 is DA/SA with a thumb safety, it does not have a mechanical decocker so if you just must have a DA start, you have to restrain the hammer and PULL THE TRIGGER. This is commonly done in USPSA Production but you have to practice and work carefully.
I think the earlier Beretta 84s were like that but the later issues have only a decocker.
While a CZ75 is DA/SA with a thumb safety, it does not have a mechanical decocker so if you just must have a DA start, you have to restrain the hammer and PULL THE TRIGGER. This is commonly done in USPSA Production but you have to practice and work carefully.
I think the earlier Beretta 84s were like that but the later issues have only a decocker.
bdickens
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The real solution here is practice.
JTQ
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Before we can help the OP find a solution to his question, we need to understand exactly what gun the OP is asking about and what kind of safety device the gun has.
At this point, I'm not sure we know.
.308 Norma
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I'm not at all sure about what you're asking when you comparing SA revolvers to DASA semi-auto pistols. SA revolvers HAVE hammers, and it's not because "in ancient times, the ancestor insisted on" having them. As far as I know, "in ancient times" (before transfer bars and such) "the ancestors" left an empty chamber under their revolver's lowered hammer so that "they didn't get all nervous about shooting themselves in the appendidge."
That's the way my dad taught me to carry a SA revolver anyway. And seeing as how I myself am 73 now, my dad was pretty "ancient" I guess.
That still has nothing to do with how I carry my DASA Sig M11-A1. It doesn't have a manual safety, but I carry it de-cocked with a round in the chamber. And as far as my "groups coming out good" when I fire the first shot DA, I practice. Of course if I take the time to pull my DASA hammer back for the first shot, my overall group for the 4 or 5 rounds I fire is generally a little better than when I fire the first round DA. But my groups are "good enough" IMO (which is the only opinion that matters to me) either way.
That said, regardless of what my "the ancestors" and my "ancient" dad did, I carry my SA Ruger Blackhawk .45 Colt (not "Colt 45") with all six chambers loaded and the hammer lowered. That's because my SA Ruger Blackhawk has a transfer bar.
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JTQ
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I don't necessarily think the OP was talking about SA revolvers. It could be DA revolvers, or DA/SA semi-auto's that folks tend to ride the hammer while reholstering to know there isn't anything pulling the trigger, either their finger or some other item stuck inside the trigger guard.
I'm not at all sure about what you're asking when you compare SA revolvers to DASA semi-auto pistols.
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Here's MY question. If you start DA but only fire one shot from the draw, and do that repeatedly, how do your groups look?
I don't know how USPSA Production shooters lower their hammers but I can't recommend how it's done in IPSC competitions: the possibility of accompanying the hammer in the half cock position is not used; lowering the hammer to the half cock position means, as in DA/SA revolvers, releasing the trigger as soon as the hammer is released from the sear. This would be the safe way to lower the hammer in DA/SA no decocker pistols as well. Unfortunately I see that the trigger is kept pulled accompanying the hammer to the full rest position so, if the hammer slips the pistol goes BANG (as I've seen many times...).
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I have not tried that. I can get good groups with a 642 j frame, but I will try that drill.
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I didn’t mean revolvers. I meant semis that have a safety and no decocker.
I'm not at all sure about what you're asking when you comparing SA revolvers to DASA semi-auto pistols. SA revolvers HAVE hammers, and it's not because "in ancient times, the ancestor insisted on" having them. As far as I know, "in ancient times" (before transfer bars and such) "the ancestors" left an empty chamber under their revolver's lowered hammer so that "they didn't get all nervous about shooting themselves in the appendidge."
That's the way my dad taught me to carry a SA revolver anyway. And seeing as how I myself am 73 now, my dad was pretty "ancient" I guess.
That still has nothing to do with how I carry my DASA Sig M11-A1. It doesn't have a manual safety, but I carry it de-cocked with a round in the chamber. And as far as my "groups coming out good" when I fire the first shot DA, I practice. Of course if I take the time to pull my DASA hammer back for the first shot, my overall group for the 4 or 5 rounds I fire is generally a little better than when I fire the first round DA. But my groups are "good enough" IMO (which is the only opinion that matters to me) either way.
That said, regardless of what my "the ancestors" and my "ancient" dad did, I carry my SA Ruger Blackhawk .45 Colt (not "Colt 45") with all six chambers loaded and the hammer lowered. That's because my SA Ruger Blackhawk has a transfer bar.
but the fact that no one has yet commented, “Oh yeah, I carry my DASA pistol with the hammer back and the safety on,” tells me that it just isn’t done
Jim Watson
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Manually lowering the hammer to half cock is not allowed in USPSA or IPSC Production Division, even though there may be a gun of the same make which mechanically lowers the hammer to half cock when decocked.
I have, but they aren't Berettas. CZ75 without decocker, HK USP with decocker.
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I have, but they aren't Berettas. CZ75 without decocker, HK USP with decocker.
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Rather absurd rules. Like that of pull the trigger before reholstering a pistol that has already been unloaded and checked again to be unloaded. I better stop here, also because I don't want to go off topic or offend some particularly sensitive IPSC shooter.
.308 Norma
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Oh, okay. Thanks.
Yeah, that would be my guess.
And like I said, I practice firing my Sig M11-A1 double action for the first shot, then firing the next shot(s) single action.However, I prefer my DA Glock 19 for EDC anyway, and I have a SA 1911 .45 ACP for a bedside gun. So while I won't say practice with my DASA Sig M11-A1 is a waste of time, I probably won't ever be able to say, "I'm glad I practiced that." Practice is fun though - at least it was when 9mm ammo was inexpensive and readily available.
JR24
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Practice is fun though - at least it was when 9mm ammo was inexpensive and readily available.
Dry fire with those laser bullet systems (I have iTarget Pro) shines here, get all the DA trigger work you need, waste no ammo, and still get some feedback on how well you work the trigger. Really has helped me learn my DA/SA guns. Though, I agree I shoot Glocks and SAO guns better, and more easily to be sure.
JTQ
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It depends on the gun. As I mentioned, lots of CZ75B guys do that, as I would expect HK45, HK USP, EAA Witness/Tanfoglio, and other's similarly designed.
JTQ
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Some of the issue folks have in this thread, is based on your earlier posts, we got the Beretta 92FS thing stuck in our heads. You can't carry the 92FS with the hammer back with the safety engaged. The gun won't let you do that.
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