What actually changed today that adversely affects us.

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These executive actions leave me wondering. For most of us it seems nothing changed after all the hoopla. Am I reading it correctly.

My sense of it is that Biden needed to produce some kind of "win" on gun control and he realized getting anything through Congress would be highly problematic so he settled on a couple of executive orders that are on the periphery of 2d Amendment concerns and therefore not likely to generate much of a backlash. Or, God forbid, he's just getting warmed up....
 
According to an interesting Wall Street Journal editorial last week, part of the writer’s point about the US Senate, is that the >> present filibuster rules << would prevent any dramatic anti-gun bill from going to the Floor for a vote.
The first stage in the Senate is only discussion, which is required before the procedures which can lead to a vote.

As some of us have concluded, based on past fears in "that party", and to quote Alexander A (again):

Anti-gun legislation is the Third Rail (deadly electric voltage) for Anti-Gunners in Congress. The upcoming Mid-Term elections are just one of their fears.

Their high level of fear seems also to be reflected by the fact that there isn't even a bill banning future pistol grips on ARs, flash hiders etc (just Features-not the actual gun) ...
......going towards a Senate Floor discussion, is there? They could have begun such a process last February.

I've never seen so much bold, courageous " Presidential" talk and vows, implied promises, lead to such timid, weak results.
 
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Don't underestimate what a hostile ATF could do.

Donald Trump's entire immigration program boiled down to an executive order and getting his guys installed at DHS and USCIS. I hardly think nothing changed.

ATF can make our lives miserable once it's under the control of a Statist cop who really doesn't think guns have any place outside law enforcement and hunting.
 
Don't underestimate what a hostile ATF could do.

Donald Trump's entire immigration program boiled down to an executive order and getting his guys installed at DHS and USCIS. I hardly think nothing changed.

ATF can make our lives miserable once it's under the control of a Statist cop who really doesn't think guns have any place outside law enforcement and hunting.

And I believe ATF has been promised increased funding, has it not ? I wonder what that funding will be used for ...
 
My sense of it is that Biden needed to produce some kind of "win" on gun control and he realized getting anything through Congress would be highly problematic so he settled on a couple of executive orders that are on the periphery of 2d Amendment concerns and therefore not likely to generate much of a backlash. Or, God forbid, he's just getting warmed up....
There’s nothing that can be done by EA or EO to impact the average person who wants to acquire an average gun. All Biden can do is nibble around the edges on stuff that doesn’t impact all that many people. Anything of consequence would already have been done by Obama after Sandy Hook.

The problem is that it’s a slippery slope. If you can redefine a piece of plastic as a machine gun then it’s not too far a leap to redefine most semi-autos as “easily convertible.”

I realize these two paragraphs are somewhat contradictory. That doesn’t make either of them my less true.
 
It may be worse than it looks at first glance. If that part about eliminating sales for which the background search does not come back in 3 days went into it then they have the tool to shut down sales by slowing the background check process.
 
These executive actions leave me wondering. For most of us it seems nothing changed after all the hoopla. Am I reading it correctly.

This sums it up very well:
".....all Biden did was ask for some thoughts on some suggestions for some guidelines for some rules, maybe."
I recommend reading the entire analysis at https://electoral-vote.com/
 
It may be worse than it looks at first glance. If that part about eliminating sales for which the background search does not come back in 3 days went into it then they have the tool to shut down sales by slowing the background check process.
That's in the House-passed background check bill (which is stalled in the Senate) but it's not in Biden's "executive actions." He doesn't have the authority to make that change by himself.
 
There’s nothing that can be done by EA or EO to impact the average person who wants to acquire an average gun. All Biden can do is nibble around the edges on stuff that doesn’t impact all that many people. Anything of consequence would already have been done by Obama after Sandy Hook.

The problem is that it’s a slippery slope. If you can redefine a piece of plastic as a machine gun then it’s not too far a leap to redefine most semi-autos as “easily convertible.”

I realize these two paragraphs are somewhat contradictory. That doesn’t make either of them my less true.

Yeah, if you think "average gun" is a bolt action rifle or a 6 shooter revolver. I kind of thought my AR pistol was an "average gun", and potentially the EO is going to make me an instant felon. While the odds of ATF swooping down on my home and arresting me may be slim, it really doesn't sit well with me. I have always counted myself on the "law abiding" side of the line.
 
Am I the only one wondering if the current administration is aware of how their anti-gun stances and posturing is fueling
all the accelerated firearms purchasing, and therefore increased protectionism of the Second Amendment, or are they
simply too blind to see it? Politicians who, generally, shamelessly curry the favor of the masses are actively and intentionally alienating
constituents, as well.
 
Yeah, if you think "average gun" is a bolt action rifle or a 6 shooter revolver. I kind of thought my AR pistol was an "average gun", and potentially the EO is going to make me an instant felon. While the odds of ATF swooping down on my home and arresting me may be slim, it really doesn't sit well with me. I have always counted myself on the "law abiding" side of the line.
I had to saw a perfectly good bump stock into pieces a couple of years ago so I understand.

What percentage of AR pattern guns do you think are configured as actual pistols? Not faux-SBR arm braced guns but actual pistols? I’m guessing less than 2%. At least you will potentially have the option of turning it into a rifle, assuming ATF finds a way to “reinterpret” the regs.

I’m not saying I agree but I am saying the things he can do won’t make a huge upheaval in the lives of most gun owners. I have a braced AR lower that I put together just so I could drive around with an SBR in the trunk without filling out the forms. If braces get nixed then it will still be useful as a rifle. My bump stock wasn’t even a good paperweight.
 
Am I the only one wondering if the current administration is aware of how their anti-gun stances and posturing is fueling
all the accelerated firearms purchasing, and therefore increased protectionism of the Second Amendment, or are they
simply too blind to see it? Politicians who, generally, shamelessly curry the favor of the masses are actively and intentionally alienating
constituents, as well.

You're assuming they actually give a damn how many guns are really out there. What they care about is that "the base" sees that they are "taking action on guns". Whether that action does anything or not, whether it has the opposite effect--nobody cares. Their base will get all charged up and vote for them for "taking action". They also aren't thinking long term, anything beyond the upcoming midterms is irrelevant to them.
 
I had to saw a perfectly good bump stock into pieces a couple of years ago so I understand.

What percentage of AR pattern guns do you think are configured as actual pistols? Not faux-SBR arm braced guns but actual pistols? I’m guessing less than 2%. At least you will potentially have the option of turning it into a rifle, assuming ATF finds a way to “reinterpret” the regs.

I’m not saying I agree but I am saying the things he can do won’t make a huge upheaval in the lives of most gun owners. I have a braced AR lower that I put together just so I could drive around with an SBR in the trunk without filling out the forms. If braces get nixed then it will still be useful as a rifle. My bump stock wasn’t even a good paperweight.

Yeah. In this case just sawing up the pistol brace isn't going to cut it. I'm not going to have a valid reason to have the upper receiver with the short barrel once "it's a pistol" no longer cuts it. I will have to chuck it in the lake, or apply for a tax stamp.
 
going after imports could be very bad, no more cheap 7.62x39 ammo, I always figured they would go after pistol braces.
 
Biden keeps claiming to under-promise and over-deliver. I’m still waiting. So far he has been more like a starter pistol than a shotgun. All noise and no effect. People just run around in circles after he huffs and puffs. If they look busy then they appeal to voters.
 
Yeah. In this case just sawing up the pistol brace isn't going to cut it. I'm not going to have a valid reason to have the upper receiver with the short barrel once "it's a pistol" no longer cuts it. I will have to chuck it in the lake, or apply for a tax stamp.
I would be surprised if they find a way to ban AR pistols. I think arm braces are the low hanging fruit that Mumbles might actually be able to pluck.
 
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You seem to be about the only other person who appreciates the White House's need for any distraction - guns or not - from the growing Border Crisis.

This idea came to me many weeks ago. They need Any Distraction to "make good copy" in the press, to keep the public's tiny attention span preoccupied, and also away from the very sobering federal deficit outlook.
 
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