Marlin Model 1894 questions.....

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I have a Marlin Model 1894 lever gun in .357 mag cal, that I've had for over 20 years (bought it pretty cheap from a guy who had to sell it, getting divorced), and had never fired..... until a couple days ago. So I set up a target at about 50 yards and fired a couple three round groups, walked out to see them, and they were pretty good groups (for me) - about 2" (iron sights only), but about 2 feet low from point of aim. ***?? So I go to adjust elevation on the rear sight, and lo and behold, that little wedge piece that holds the sight up is completely gone. I have no idea when or where it disappeared, but I looked on the bottom of my safe for it, and no luck. Maybe it is out on the ground at the range, and if so, it is gone for ever. So, first question: Anyone know what this part is officially called and ...... where I can order one?

Second question: I could only get three .38 spl rounds loaded into the tube, so I am guessing there's a plug in it. How do I open that tube to check and remove the plug?

Thanks in advance to any Marlin experts who can answer these questions.

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Thanks guys, that tells me what I need to get. Does anyone know a good source for these parts? (Gun Parts Corp shows both out of stock and Jack First doesn't even list them.)
 
Also trying to figure out........... I could only get three .38 spl rounds loaded into the tube, so I am guessing there's a plug in it. How do I open that tube to check and remove the plug? (I won't be hunting with it.)

And lastly: What vintage 1894 do I have? The serial number is 18086xxx. It is marked "Mod.1894 - carbine - Micro-groove - cal .357 magnum" and has an 18" bbl. What model variant is this one called in Marlin literature or amongst Marlin enthusiasts?
 
Howdy

It would help identifying your Marlin if you supplied a few more photos, particularly of the entire rifle.

I'm going to go out on a limb here because I think the only lever guns Marlin chambered for 357 Magnum were the carbines.

The old Marlin web sight used to show all the models, but the new website does not show much. (Probably waiting for Ruger to decide what models they are going to make.)

A quick internet search showed that only the carbines were chambered for 357 Magnum.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marlin_Model_1894

I have a Model 1894CS that is chambered for 357 Magnum. The barrel is 18 1/2 inches long.

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This is what the rear sight on my 1894CS looks like.

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Here is another view of the rear sight. Yours appears to be missing the rear sight blade as well as the elevator. The elevator is the ramp shaped piece with different notches to raise and lower the rear sight. You will notice in this photo that there is a pin near the bottom of the rear sight. That pin is what holds the blade to the body of the rear sight. I doubt you could have hit any targets at all with the rear sight blade missing. I suspect you accidentally whacked the rear sight and broke or bent something, or perhaps sheared the pin. The blade would have fallen off, and the elevator which is only held on by the spring tension of the body of the sight, would have fallen off too.

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Not all Marlin rear sights look exactly like this, this one would be called a Semi-Buckhorn rear sight. Buckhorn sights were very common on lever guns, not just Marlins but Winchesters too. They came as Full Buckhorns, Semi-Buckhorns, and Flat Top Buckhorns.



This is a Full Buckhorn sight on a Marlin Model 39A 22 Rimfire. Notice how the 'horns' almost form a full circle. This style of sight can be used as a 'ghost ring', where the eye naturally centers the front sight in the center of the 'circle'.

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This is the rear sight on an antique Marlin Model 1894.

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This is a Flat Top Buckhorn sight on a Winchester Model 1894.

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Buy a Williams peep sight and you will have a 100 yard pop can killer.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Buckhorn rear sights. I have them on lots of lever guns. I do not have a Williams peep sight on any of my lever guns. The Semi-Buckhorn is the most popular, the Flat Top style affords the most view of the target, some hunters prefer that. The Full Buckhorn will obscure most of a target, just like a peep sight will.Not the best for field work.




This is the front sight of my Model 1894CS. The bead is drift adjustable for windage. The groove was for a hood. I don't remember if I removed the hood or if it came like that.


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The barrel markings should tell you just which Model 1894 you have. I bought this one used, it does not have micro-groove rifling, it has standard ballard style rifling. I have no idea when it was made, but I bought it used about 20 years ago.

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No idea why your Marlin only holds three rounds. Do they come to a hard stop so you cannot shove another one into the loading gate? My Model 1894CS originally held 10 rounds of 38 Specials and 9 rounds of 357 Magnums. I had a friend shorten the follower (the part the spring shoves against the rounds in the magazine tube) a bit so now it holds 10 rounds of 357 Magnum. There is a screw on the underside of the front of the magazine. This screw holds the magazine cap in place. On mine, the screw runs all the way up into the barrel. To open the magazine up, remove that screw. BE CAREFUL. The cap is under spring tension from the magazine spring. If you are not careful, when you remove the screw, the cap and follower will go flying and you will never find them again. Trust me on this. Keep your hand over the magazine cap while you remove the screw to keep things from going flying. Another good idea is to place an empty box in front of the muzzle while removing the screw. If everything goes flying, hopefully the box will contain them. If you find a plug in there, you may find the magazine spring has been clipped to allow a plug. In that case you will need a new, full length magazine spring.

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Here is a place that stocks Marlin parts.

https://www.midwestgunworks.com/marlin/gun-parts.html



Here is another.

https://cfnparts.com/index.php?route=information/information&information_id=15




Marlins are very popular with Cowboy Action shooters. Here are a couple of websites that stock parts for Marlins for CAS, but a lot of the parts are standard.

http://www.pioneergunworks.com/marlin-rifle-parts


https://www.longhunt.com/web/index.php


PS. My Model 1894CS is a very handy little rifle. I bought it for my wife when she used to shoot Cowboy with me. She did not like my 24" barreled rifles, they were too heavy for her. It is a very handy little rifle at the range when loaded with 38 Specials, and it is a pretty serious rifle when loaded with 357 Magnums.



Here is a hint about ammo: Generally speaking, Marlins, with their tilting carriers prefer either Round Nosed, Flat Point bullets or Truncated Cone bullets. Semi-Wadcutters can sometimes be finicky loading, the sharp corner can sometimes catch as it is chambered. This one fed my Semi-Wadcutter reloads fine, but sometimes they can be a problem.

Two of my 38 Special reloads. 125 grain Truncated Cone on the left. The Marlin really likes these. 158 grain Semi-Wadcutter on the right. My Marlin feeds these well, yours may or may not.

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More 38 Specials. Left to right, commercial 158 grain lead Round Nosed bullet. Not recommended for lever guns with tubular magazines. Next is a Round Nosed, Flat Point commercial load. Sorry, I don't recall the bullet weight off the top of my head. These are good for lever guns with tubular magazines. My Truncated Cone and Semi-Wadcutter loads are to the right.

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I took the rear sight off my 1894CP and replaced it with a Lyman 57 peep mounted on the receiver.Made such a difference!I've shot several 1 inch groups at 50 yards.
 
Thanks to everyone for the replies and information, and especially to Driftwood Johnson for his very long and detailed post. Here's three more pics: full gun; markings: and the front sight.

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Buy a Williams peep sight and you will have a 100 yard pop can killer.

I put a Williams receiver peep sight on my 1894 357 Mag Marlin. It works better for me thsn the factory open sights.

I have found the micro groove barrel does not work well with cast bullets. Jacketed bullets provide good accuracy. I have not tried powder coated bullets in mine, they may work well.

Semi-wadcutter bullets require a bit of finess to feed. The shoulder hangs uo on something. A little wiggling of the lever gets them to feed. Don’t expect rapid follow up shots if liading semi-wadcutters.

I can’t help off hand on disassembling the magazine tube but you should be able to fine something on You Tube. Unless there is a plug in the tube, you should be able to load more than therr rounds.
 
I bought one for my Diasy BB gun off Amazon. Its probably compatible. I have a 94c and can check if you cant find the real part
 
Marlin Micro Groove barrels shoot cast bullets just fine.
Bullets must be properly sized.
I use .311” in my .30/30, .360” in my .35Rem, .432” in .44, and .460” in .45/70’s

I use the same powders as jacketed and run at same speeds as jacketed factory ammo.

Back in late ‘80’s I had a M1894 identical to OP’s It was a tack driver with my .38’s I loaded for PPC competition. I was using (still do) a Lee 158gr TL-SWC UNSIZED over either 3.1gr Bullseye or 3.4gr of HP38 lubed with Lee liquid alox. Now I’d use the 125gr Lee .358” RFN. My mold casts to .360”. I powder coat them, then size to desired diameter. Typically.357” for my S&W 9mm auto’s, but .360” is fine for .38spl or .357mag.

Another sight option for the OP’s gun is a folding open rear sight as installed on a Ruger 10/22. It fits the 3/8” factory dovetail. Likely a slightly higher rear blade for the Marlin due to taller front blade.
(midwayusa.com product#516164).
 
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You should definitely be able to get more than 3 rounds in. If you remove the end cap, pull out the spring and follower, you should then be able to remove the barrel band screws and slide the whole mag tube out the front. You can then look down it and inspect for crud or rust or something. I would also look at the follower and make sure that it is not corroded. Well I have not seen it, I have heard reports that sometimes the follower will freeze up inside the tube if the gun has not been properly lubed or was put away wet or something.

Or, I have a cousin who's looking for a gun identical to that. I think he said he was willing to pay $800 for it. He wouldn't mind that it's messed up. Your issues are pretty easy to fix.

My marlin looks identical to yours. Or it did before I started working on it. It's a mid '70's gun. My microgroove barrel shoots lead quite well, but I have to reload a fat .359 bullet for it.

If you cannot find a marlin sight, marbles makes a variety of rear sights for marlin rifles.
 
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