I did a 180 on attitude towards AR15 platforms

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BreechFace said:
Our country suffers from a heart/morality problem, we have lost our way as a society/country.

You state that "...they have become the weapon of choice for nearly every nut case bent on mass destruction." Study some statistics from the CDC on "rifle" deaths, in 2018 there were 297 total deaths by all rifles, and you think that it is because the American people have the ability to own AR15's that we are losing our gun rights? Why does a person have to seek out the data on "rifle" deaths? Could it be that it doesn't fit the politburo's agenda on stripping the American citizens of their gun rights?

Call me callous, cold, or whatever, but 297 people dying of rifle deaths is a small price to pay for keeping the power in the people's hands and preventing subjugation and potential mass genocide that follows disarmament of the populace.

The vast majority of the American people have succumbed to "group think" and lack any semblance of critical thinking. They buy hook, line and sinker what the media wants them to, be it news, social media, or agenda driven politicians. What is sad is that we have people who should know this and know better than to fall for the lies and propaganda that is spread to serve underlying agendas of the activist politicians.

The FBI figures look at the intentional, criminal use of firearms, and show a total of 297 deaths from rifles of any kind in 2018. This means accidental death by falling occurred 126 times more often than intentional death by a rifle of any kind in 2018.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/04/04/feds-2018-data-falling-killed-126x-more-people-rifles/​

Freedom is and never will be free, with freedom comes great responsibility and the deaths that arise out of the tragedies perpetrated by sick individuals will continue if we wish to be a free country. As this country gets further and further away from knowledge and belief in our Creator, we fall further victim to the stripping away of our freedoms for the sake of "safety."
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I know the stats on rifle shooting, and yet you never hear about those other deaths, only the ones by mass shootings.

The media is what drives public opinion, and politician's actions.
 
Speedo66 said:
To be honest, I think as gun owners our rights are in serious jeopardy because of them, and personally wish we'd have never gotten them.

I served in the military and LE, but If you think my opinion makes me a Fudd, so be it
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We can be honest and say most all modern firearms in use today can trace their lineage to use in warfare. I've heard all kinds of 'logic' about lever guns being symbols of indigenous oppression, Saturday night specials in poor neighborhoods, high capacity glocks outgunning the police service revolvers, semi-auto weapons of war (take your pick of SKS in the 1990s, AK of 2000s, or ARs of today as you wish in the news), and all other kinds of great news stories over the past 40 years. From what I read and heard from older folks years ago the screaming about military surplus bolt guns after the death of Kennedy was a big part of bringing about GCA68. The truth is there is absolutely no truly acceptable firearm to certain groups in our country. Trying to appease any of them with sacrificial ARs or anything else is simply a short term feeding of the monster which only embolden them for further reductions in peoples rights.
 
illinoisburt said:
We can be honest and say most all modern firearms in use today can trace their lineage to use in warfare. I've heard all kinds of 'logic' about lever guns being symbols of indigenous oppression, Saturday night specials in poor neighborhoods, high capacity glocks outgunning the police service revolvers, semi-auto weapons of war (take your pick of SKS in the 1990s, AK of 2000s, or ARs of today as you wish in the news), and all other kinds of great news stories over the past 40 years. From what I read and heard from older folks years ago the screaming about military surplus bolt guns after the death of Kennedy was a big part of bringing about GCA68. The truth is there is absolutely no truly acceptable firearm to certain groups in our country. Trying to appease any of them with sacrificial ARs or anything else is simply a short term feeding of the monster which only embolden them for further reductions in peoples rights.
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I'm in no way implying we should hand in any guns at this point, including AR's, or try to appease anyone.

I'm looking at it from a past perspective, I don't believe in giving an inch now. As someone said, they'll want AR's now, and come for the next step down immediately after.
 
FYI I am like 51% Fudd myself, so let's count us as good company!

I don't 'train' for anything and it makes me sad how many folks don't seem to get the Zam-bees are a Hollywood creation. I like my older generation guns. Even though my son, as a dealer and action competitor, has put darned near everything in my hands in recent years I just haven't warmed up to polymers. Guns are tools which get used - hunting, shooting paper, plinking, it's all good. I was not a big fan of the AR platform and hadn't fired or owned a civilian version until just a couple years ago. Still I do agree with others here that the AR today uniquely represent a truly American rifle just as a 30-30 Winchester did for past generations. I am personally happy to see so many people own one and hope the trend continues.
 
I got my first AR type rifle when I was interested in getting into Highpower. After a lot of back and forth I had one built for me by White Oak Precision. That was several years ago and it's still my most accurate rifle in the barn. If I do my thing, this rifle will do it's thing. Since then I've purchased a couple M4 type ARs as I can see some form of ban coming and if anything they will be a nice investment sometime down the road. I also ended up getting my Machine Gun Licenses and bought a legitimate M4. That thing rocks. That is until this ammo situation happened. Expensive to feed the beast nowadays.
 
Speedo66 said:
I assembled one because I thought I wouldn't be able to in a while, figured I'd try one out. It was a mistake, sold it.

I also look at the big picture. Since AR's have arrived in numbers and dropped in price, they have become the weapon of choice of nearly every nut case bent on mass destruction. They have done more to enrage the anti's than anything ever before, to the point where every semi auto is now under attack.

Because of their original military background, they seem to have fostered the whole current "tactical" movement, where overweight, barely able to move, 70 year olds sitting behind a keyboard must have one and think they're badass and GTG because they do. Vast numbers of other owners seem to be playing soldier and training and equipping themselves for the apocalypse.

To be honest, I think as gun owners our rights are in serious jeopardy because of them, and personally wish we'd have never gotten them.

I served in the military and LE, but If you think my opinion makes me a Fudd, so be it.
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I disagree with some things you said, Tactical stuff actually came more from the AK, crowd. When AR's became more widely available and AK's dried up people switched band wagons. Years before the "deadly assault rifle" hated by the left was the AK.. Before that it was something else. Remember Saturday Night Specials. The AR is just the latest bad gun, but the gun and stats is not the issue. Taking away rights whatever the excuse or straw target is the fact. We are not giving new ammunition to the left. They always target some bad gun. To say it's the AR's fault is not accurate. And your comment about 70 year olds is stupid and insulting. Also stats show they are not the weapon of choice for every nutcase but I agree it doesn't look good and it's fodder for our enemies. We are on the same side even if we disagree on minor points.
 
Speedo66 said:
I know the stats on rifle shooting, and yet you never hear about those other deaths, only the ones by mass shootings.

The media is what drives public opinion, and politician's actions.
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On this I very much agree. The media is largely lockstep with the left and as many of them say, they want our guns and they sensationalize every shooting and put great emphasis on bad guns. It is easier to make the case that one type of gun is bad and moreover not legitimate to own.
 
Phaedrus/69 said:
I was pretty late to the party getting my first AR at the age of 42 or so! But I quickly came to appreciate the strengths of the design and the things it does well.
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I was even later at age 65. Did I need an AR 15? Of course not, but did I want one? You betcha. I enjoy mine, fun to shoot, haven't done anything more to it than add a Magpul handguard, a vertical grip, a 2 point sling and a red dot scope. Every old geezer should own one.
 
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Rockrivr1 said:
That is until this ammo situation happened. Expensive to feed the beast nowadays.
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Absolutely. My latest acquisition for the AR is a CMMG Bravo 22LR conversion kit. I managed to find one with 3 magazines. I plan on setting up a backyard plinking range for that and my airguns.
 
I love them and even though I’m more liberal than most on here I’m sure, I consider any proposal to ban them, particularly beyond the 94-04 framework, to be an absolute non-starter.

I think every safe, responsible shooter that can keep them secured should have one- or a bunch of them- 16, 18, 20”- All good.
 
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herrwalther said:
Absolutely. My latest acquisition for the AR is a CMMG Bravo 22LR conversion kit. I managed to find one with 3 magazines. I plan on setting up a backyard plinking range for that and my airguns.
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I Picked up the CMMG as well, only 2 mags but sure does make shooting it less expensive.

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I always liked AR since I used them in the Army. They weren't legal for deer or I would have been interested. I did buy a couple SKS's and Ak's for kids to use for deer and I used them too. Never liked them. Front heavy and inaccurate. After I wrecked my right shoulder in accidents I was more interested. Finally they became legal for deer and I got one.. I wasn.t sold on them until I shot a 280 lb dressed 14 pt buck. One shot kill. He didn't go far. Insides were mush. I eventually healed up enough to use a conventional rifle which I prefer. The low recoil, nice balance and adjustable stock make them a great kids gun.
 
My story sounds very similar. I carried one for my Uncle and when I got back never wanted to see another.

Then almost 50 years later I saw an A2 model and thought "I already load .223, what the heck" so I picked one up. No optics, I like the carry handle. It shoots great and now sits in my closet along with 10 mags, just in case my HD handgun isn't enough.
 
earlthegoat2 said:
I also personally like fixed carry handles.

Haven’t warmed up to pistol variants yet.
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I still have peeps on all my AR's, including my original Colt H-Bar with a carry handle. Unless you are specifically going to mount an optic on one, -A2 uppers are still perfectly fine.

I just don't get AR pistols... and likely because I've never fired one. Regardless, it seems to me there are far better choices for a 'carry piece' than an AR pistol... much of it because of the power of the .223/5.56mm cartridge in a short barrel. I understand the grey area of it being a 'pistol,' I got that, but as I suspect, that very well might be redefined Federally very soon.

The AR is a wonder of versatility, and a reliable and easy to shoot one as well, which all don't go together that often.
 
Didn’t want an AR for a long time. But when they started offering them in different cartridges, I got more intrigued. So I decided to buy a lower and upper. An H-bar x39. Added a Nikon 223 mount, and a Burris E1 3x9x40. Bought some various Wolf and Tula ammo, a few DuraMags, and went to the range. Damned if it didn’t shoot good. Like really good. Just over an inch. Well it was a good experience, so I bought another upper and lower. Another H-bar x39. Then upgraded the triggers, and added ambidextrous charging handles. Same experience. Well, I’m a big bore guy so I wanted something with more thump. After considerable research, I decided on a 450. Repeat the process. Another great shooter. So I bought another. Then I found a 24” H-Bar 1:7 5.56 complete upper on clearance. It was cheap. Like, should grenade after a few shots, cheap. Well, repeat the process and damned if it didn’t shoot under an inch with cheap Hornady SP’s. Oh wait, that’s a lie. I didn’t put an E1 3x9 on it. It was an E1 4.5x14. Regardless, it shoots great. Albeit a tad front heavy. Then added an 20” Aero AR-10.

I will likely add more to the collection, but a pistol won’t be one of them. A 16” with collapsible stock is plenty short for me.
 
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