Yaaaay!!!Flame on - the Second Amendment is totally clear to everyone and SCOTUS will void gun laws in the golden future.
Also about the rate of fire. It's a bit lower than 750.Reading CB Colby's book in grade school set me on a course to a career in Special Forces. In all this time the single ridiculous item that has always stuck with me is the following (below, about the car) along with the *truism* that an M-16 projectile can/will enter at the elbow, travel along the bone and pierce the heart, lungs or other pumpy-bits. Myths that started in the 60s that died a hard death in the early 80s.
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1) All bullets can and will take unusual paths once they enter the body. One of our guys shot himself in the chest with am M16A2 through his vest, the bullet passed through his heart, bounced off a back rib, exited his torso at the armpit, entered his upper arm, hit his humerus, slid down it, exited his elbow, and landed harmlessly on the lap of the person next to him in the truck. Another guy was hit in the forearm by an AK round at close range (about 20 feet), the bullet hit his ulna, slid up the bone and exited his elbow (it did crack the bone, but did not shatter it.) Bullets take the path of least resistance, sometimes that's in one side out the other, sometimes it meanders around a bit.True - I put that down to salesmanship-license.
750 is closer to 1,000 while 700 is closer to 500 in the eye of the consumer.... At least in America.
Todd.
Back atcha with:The M16/M4 is the subject of much mis-information, myths, and downright lies. Despite the fact that the truth has been published right from the very beginning of the M16 program, people would rather believe the myths.
- Ball powder was the problem - myth
- No chrome bore was the problem - myth
- Not putting chrome bores was just stupidity - myth
- Stoner made it right, the Army screwed it up - myth
- Tumbling bullets - myth
- Bouncing off twigs - myth
- etc.
- etc.
"The M16 is not issued with a cleaning kit, because it does not need to be cleaned."
Actually, the M16/M16A1 developed into a reliable weapon between 1963 and 1967. After 1969 there really were never any "reliability improvements". The M16A2 was more of a reputation enhancement than anything else, and that is how some engineers from Picatinny viewed it.Back atcha with:
If it was perfect from the get-go, why have there been continual upgrades and modifications since 1964?
Methinks Mr. McNamara and his bean counting buddies in the Pentagon believed some myths also, particularly:
"The M16 is not issued with a cleaning kit, because it does not need to be cleaned."
I can tell you from much experience that it will run wet for quite some time before it fails, but they do need to be adequately cleaned and maintained.
Wear and other factors, particularly by the time I was working on them (86-89) slowed them down a little bit. Just speaking from my personal experience, not MIL-R-45587.
Most of ours ran right about the same rate as the M60's which were rearsenaled, and spittin' 'em out at the reg. 550.
That is caused by trying to eject the cases up, or sideways, as opposed to ejecting them down....somehow getting a shell stuck under the ejector star (that's still a mystery to me).
You're a moderator?This thread isn't about what gun myths you've been told. We've done that a million times, already. It's about which gun myths you believed. My list is myths I once believed. Of course, I was pretty young at the time and each one has since been proven to be wrong.
Don't waste our time with myths other people believe. Tell us which myths you used to believe.
I was just told that one today by a 58 year old Co worker.Remember the hoopla that the .22 short RG10 revolver was the deadliest weapon ever devised and the bullet would ricochet all over your inerds, shot in the chest the bullet could end up in your brain or leg?
I read a forensic pathology book that documented that rounds like the .22 short or shotgun birdshot penetrated about three inches of flesh, could enter a vein or artery, circulate, and end up stopping in a blood vessel smaller than the projectile.
Not quite the same as ricocheting around the body ripping up flesh as it tore about as described in the Saturday Night Special op-eds. More like a blood clot circulating til it stopped someplace inconvenient.
No, that would be a 20 gauge slug.That “magnum” in the name meant whatever is shot immediately drops and dies on the spot.
Your wife sounds cool.I don't remember that one, but I do remember a few of the guys I worked with back in the '80s that swore up and down that they "knew someone" who had a "cousin" (or whatever) that had their wrist broken by .44 Magnum recoil. Funny thing was, my 5'2", 120lb wife was winning, or at least placing in match after match of IHMSA competitions back then, and she was shooting one or the other of her 2, .44 Magnums with full-house (a big charge of 2400 behind a 220 gr bullet) loads.
On the other hand (no pun intended) my lovely wife struggles with arthritis in her right thumb joint nowadays, and we contribute that (at least in part) to the thousands of full-house .44 Magnum loads she fired back in the '80s. She still has 1 of her .44 Magnum revolvers though, and a shelf lined with trophies in the basement bedroom.
No, just guy who's more interested in what myths people used to believe and seeing how they've grown since. Another thread just rehashing "What old myths have you heard?" is dull boring and tedious.You're a moderator?
...Which gun myth(s) (and there seems to be a seemingly bottomless pit of them out there) did you used to believe?...
That is caused by trying to eject the cases up, or sideways, as opposed to ejecting them down.
"Revolvers are always going to be more reliable than autos."
I've had autos that I bought new years ago and haven't had a malfunction since they came out of the box. Conversely, I have yet to own a revolver that hasn't jammed up, whether it's gumming up around the cylinder face, somehow getting a shell stuck under the ejector star (that's still a mystery to me) or even the S&W 586 that managed to get a round to jump crimp (also a mystery). ......
Almost 30 years ago in NYC I attended a CMP firearm safety/training class that was my first experience with firearms. The instructor told the same story that a .22 bullet can hit your arm, follow the bone, and enter your chest