Sig P365 vs P365XL?

Status
Not open for further replies.
Size and weight-wise, I don't think there's a whole lot of difference between the XL and the MAX 9. I handled them both, at the same time for about ten minutes, and they "felt" pretty much the same to me. I liked them equally but I liked the price of the Ruger better. Much better.
I also had the opportunity to handle the Max 9. The grip on paper is 3/8" shorter. Overall a little slimmer. The important thing to me was the girth of the grip... gave me something substantial to grab on to. That's where the P365 came up short, for me anyway. The Max 9 might make a nice little pocket carry gun.
 
The whole point of getting a p365 is to get a quality SMALL handgun that you will actually become comfortable carrying every day.

There is no reason on God's green earth why anyone should get the XL version that I can think of unless you want to spend money for nothing when there are so many other better options out there

That said the P 365 is a nice little package if you can get it to shoot right which may take you a couple hundred rounds
 
At that point why are you thinking about two rounds?
Go ahead and get a Springfield XDM elite with 20 round mag it's not that much bigger than the XL and it's much much much better
 
There is no reason on God's green earth why anyone should get the XL version that I can think of unless you want to spend money for nothing when there are so many other better options out there
The XL has a MUCH better balance...which is why I took the 1/2" penalty. When I bought mine the 365X didn't exist & I also wanted the optic plate. Interestingly, with a Romeo Zero...it is actually lighter than with plate & sights. Love this pistol, no regrets. Each to their own...
 
The whole point of getting a p365 is to get a quality SMALL handgun that you will actually become comfortable carrying every day.

There is no reason on God's green earth why anyone should get the XL version that I can think of unless you want to spend money for nothing when there are so many other better options out there

That said the P 365 is a nice little package if you can get it to shoot right which may take you a couple hundred rounds

Clearly no reason for you. This is the most gun forum post, though. Talking in broad, absolutist strokes as though your opinion is the only valid one, and anyone with different desires or needs or preferences must be stupid.

The P365 is a great gun. However, if you're going to carry IWB, AIWB, or OWB, the P365XL doesn't really cost you any thing in terms of concealment, but it does gain you a full grip and a smidgen longer sight radius that dramatically improve the shootability, plus the extra two rounds and a smidgen more muzzle velocity.

To each his own, but I think in a lot of ways the P365XL is the most perfect concealed-carry gun in terms of size and ergonomics since the Kahr K9, which was perfect in size and ergonomics but less perfect in most other ways.
 
Clearly no reason for you. This is the most gun forum post, though. Talking in broad, absolutist strokes as though your opinion is the only valid one, and anyone with different desires or needs or preferences must be stupid.

The P365 is a great gun. However, if you're going to carry IWB, AIWB, or OWB, the P365XL doesn't really cost you any thing in terms of concealment, but it does gain you a full grip and a smidgen longer sight radius that dramatically improve the shootability, plus the extra two rounds and a smidgen more muzzle velocity.

To each his own, but I think in a lot of ways the P365XL is the most perfect concealed-carry gun in terms of size and ergonomics since the Kahr K9, which was perfect in size and ergonomics but less perfect in most other ways.
The regular 365 with the 12 round mag gives you that same great grip size.
 
The answer is probably the 365X.
That's a 365 slide on an XL frame.
IMGP0840.JPG
Standard mags are 12 rounds w/o an extension.
IMGP0844.JPG
The factory installed Romeo Zero sight is definitely worthwhile (and you are around $50-75 ahead buying it installed)
Prices have come down a full c-note on the entire 365 line in just the last couple months.
They are shipping in bulk, if your local prices are not down, they will be soon enough.

One downside to the 365X--they are hugely popular. So, it's easier to find the finger-grip extended 12 rounders for the 365 than the 12 round flush mags for the X (and there are a bunch of 20 round mags lurking about).

The X will fit XL holsters, since the frame is the same.
 
I’m probably just window shopping but I’m looking at the P365 and P365XL as possible new acquisitions. XL gives you 2 extra rounds (12 vs 10) and a 0.6” longer barrel (3.1” vs 3.7”) and a flat trigger, but from what I’ve seen it comes with a $100 higher price tag. My personal preference would be the XL slide with the regular grip, but that would require buying both and swapping, or taking the grinder to an XL. And preferences or pros/cons from people who have shot both?

You can get the flat trigger and swap it out on the shorter 365. I did, and it was the final straw in why I do not have any 365s anymore. Just don’t think the FCU is all that. The trigger spring location is its weakest link IMHO. Lots of stuff crammed in there. Wasn’t the funnest time replacing the triggers. But I’m a self admitted Glocktard also, so take that for what it’s worth. Sure others think it’s pure genius. I’ve been wrong before…….once…….long time ago…..damn Beta Tapes……

Like others have said, you can buy a grip module for $40 or less (Osage County Guns MO) and swap out the FCU and put your slide right on it if you get the XL.

I liked the idea of the 365. I had one that was manufactured in Jul 18, broke after 975 rounds in a class. Finished up that class with my G26. Sig repaired it, broken trigger spring and something else. Took it another two cases of ammo at a EDC match and it broke again. G26 finished that weekend up too. Sig did repair it, broken trigger spring, and they replaced the RSA. Said it was going bad and I should have changed it around 1500 rounds, and I only had about 2000 rounds thru it before the match. So it got back and was sold. I got two more in Dec 20, and they ran good. But the more I shot it the more I kept getting slide locking to the rear and magazines falling out. The grip module is so flimsy, my death grip would activate the mag release or hold the slide lock lever up. The XL frame was much better, but I didn’t want a small pistol for belt carry. I wanted a pocket pistol. So sold them and never looked back. If Sig made different sized grip modules, like they do for the 250/320 series, I think they would sell more of them. Or an aftermarket grip module with swappable back straps, like the Taurus GX4. The biggest complaint I hear from those that really liked them but got rid of them was the thing is too small and flimsy. And there are those that swear by them.

Best of luck!
Lefty
 
The longer grip just about eliminates pocket carry
I will admit to be less concerned with pocket carry than with getting all my fingers on board every single time (and without relying on magazine extensions).

Mind, the Romeo Zero sight also precludes most pocket carry, too (although is will fit in all my "BDU-styled" trousers pockets with few enough issues).

It rides quite excellently in my Super Tuck IWB. Still Finding the right fit for the Clinger.
 
The regular 365 with the 12 round mag gives you that same great grip size.

Yes but then you have that gap between the magazine spacer and the bottom of the frame. That always bugs me on guns, but it does work for many.

That one makes the least sense to me. The longer grip just about eliminates pocket carry and IMHO for IWB 3.75-4 is a sweet spot.

I never used to understand the large-frame, short-slide thing, but then someone told me it works really well for people who appendix carry IWB, and that's a new and fairly large trend. As a strong-side 3-4 carrier, a long grip sticks out further from my body, while a long slide doesn't impact me at all. But if you carry AIWB, you can hide a longer grip against your body while a longer slide would jab you uncomfortably when sitting.
 
I moved from a Kahr CW380 to a P365. From that frame of reference it's funny to hear of the 365 being 'tiny' when its the next size bigger in barrel, grip, and weight. Calling it a pocket carry gun is, to me, not going to happen as the Kahr was already too big. For that, the LCP was on the bulky size and why I quit it.

It really depends on how someone will carry it in it's primary holster and location, and considering that we fall back to our most familiar use of a firearm when under stress, moving it around only adds to confusion about where it might be when you need it. Pick your spot and stick with it, then size the grip module to what you consider important. I carry my Nitron in an athletic running shoulder holster, it's not a fast draw, and size is important. At what some consider shooting distances, tho, the grip or lack of it doesn't matter much, especially if you are point or flash sight picture shooting. Most shoot far too low. SIG sights are not what some think, their own webpage states they are front sight over the target, not floating under it. Hence why so many can't get it to sight in - they aren't holding high enough. Guys my age were taught to put the bull on top of the sight blade, but now with a front dot, it's changed. And nobody gave me any memo on it, I found out recently after I got the 365.

As for the amount of carry ammo it's also interesting to hear about moving up from a 6 to 10 shot pistol yet buyers want even more with another 2 rounds.And you can, the advantage already exists, however, two ten shot mags mean 20 rounds with one mag change, a 6 round mag would require two mag changes and you still only had 18 rounds. One less mag change in a dynamic situation is a good thing as you aren't down as long getting them swapped out with no ability right then to pull the trigger. Your weapon remains functional longer.

As for carrying that extra mag, if you go to the larger reload, then you also have to consider it's a double stack, where are you going to hang it, and will the mag carrier remain appropriately concealed ie sit low enough without sticking down too far. With more ammo capacity as a plus, this is the offsetting oops, you have a bigger mag to conceal and carry.

I considered it and 20 rounds with two mags was a leg up over 12 round in two mags. Eight more bullets was good - keeping in mind that best is the enemy of good. Best is 18 round mags with a reload, nope, my Canik is not a CCW.

Yes, the SIG FCU concept of a drop out trigger group is different. Can you change parts out easily, yes. Should you take out the FCU to clean it, no, SIG says don't, and if you do, expect that when the grip unit is no longer there to keep the parts in their correct relationship, which is required just the same as a framed handgun, that things will jostle loose. You then learn the error of your ways and also how to put it back together, which is no more difficult that assembling an AR trigger in the lower. By knowing that, you also can do it yourself rather than 2 weeks at SIG waiting to put it back together for you because SIG told you not to in the first place. SIG was actually being nice about it. Blaming SIG isn't.

Can you swap grips, mags slides and barrels, yes. And that is why the P365 is selling like hotcakes, while other makers are still using the previous generation technology with fixed serial number frames than can't be changed out, require gunsmith level knowledge to work on them, and force you to buy another gun, and another gun to get the size, capacity, and sights you find you can use. You can even add a safety, I did, and it's standard not custom work to put it in if you so desire. Very few other guns offer that or even the choice. Another plus for the FCU and grip, it's easy to install the safety with a small notch to give it working room, or buy a grip frame in the length and color you want. Yes, you get to have the color you want now, not what that model alone offers. Those days of 12 custom P938s are waning, they are currently only offering 3 models as the P365 closes the door on those older designs. Hint: if you like them, collect them now as things loosen up. I sold mine to get more capacity and the ability to work on it myself.

I got the P365 I wanted, stuck with the small frame and slide, added a left side safety, may even add more SAS features. As a concealed carrier, extended mag buttons, sights and stuff all sticking out are just more snag hazards for carry - others make it their target gun for the range and enjoy it. Some swap parts from one to the other and get both. It's your choice, not set in stone and certainly not something someone else has to do for you. A line assembler making wages put it together, we can certainly learn how to do the same for ourself.
 
Last edited:
Yes but then you have that gap between the magazine spacer and the bottom of the frame. That always bugs me on guns, but it does work for many.

Maybe sometimes they don't, but currently the 12round mag comes with an adapter that fills that gap if you're using the 10rd, standard, grip.
 
I never used to understand the large-frame, short-slide thing, but then someone told me it works really well for people who appendix carry IWB, and that's a new and fairly large trend. As a strong-side 3-4 carrier, a long grip sticks out further from my body, while a long slide doesn't impact me at all. But if you carry AIWB, you can hide a longer grip against your body while a longer slide would jab you uncomfortably when sitting.
Good point, now that you mention it I do vaguely remember when my belly was such that I could AIWB Clinton was President LOL.
 
Maybe sometimes they don't, but currently the 12round mag comes with an adapter that fills that gap if you're using the 10rd, standard, grip.

I know, but for me the gap between the bottom of the frame and the little magazine length adapter on guns with extended magazines available always pinches me a little when shooting.
 
I picked up the P365 with 10 round mags to pocket carry and it does so admirably. I bought a couple extra 12 round mags for mag changes if the pistol ever comes into extended play.

If I'm going to need a hip holster, the XL is not where I'm going to go. That would be the P320.

That's great if someone wants an XL, but to me it answers a question I never asked.
 
I put the XL grip frame and flat trigger on my P365 and LOVE it!
I bought the new P365X-best of the two combined. I did not like the mag extended grip on the 365 it felt loose and cheesy to me where-as the grip on the 365X is solid, flat, and has a flaired mag well to boot which helps with quick mag exchanges. I also can get my pinky on the grip. Shoots like a dream and I prefer the flat trigger because it breaks at 90 degrees but I can shoot both equally well. Comes optics ready with metal night sights not plastic garbage like the Glocks. I was at a gun shop that I could compare all three at once. IMO the 365X is perfect. The 365xl was good 2nd place but I wanted this pistol for concealed carry and felt the xl to be just too long. Also, I noticed on my 365X that if there is no round in the chamber the extracter protrudes from the side and you can feel this in the dark when you have an empty chamber- maybe they all have it but I really love that feature. With a round in the chamber the extracter is flush along it’s length
 
Last edited:
.........I did not like the mag extended grip on the 365 it felt loose and cheesy to me where-as the grip on the 365X is solid, flat, and has a flaired mag well to boot which helps with quick mag exchanges. I also can get my pinky on the grip.
You took the words right out of my mouth. Besides the somewhat squishy feeling of the P365 hand grip with the 12 rd mag, the mag sometimes pinched my hand. I installed the XL grip on my P365 and was shooting it last week. No pinching of my hand and the grip felt solid. I don't know that it made me shoot any better, but I felt more comfortable shooting it. It's just about as small as a pistol can be and still feel comfortable in my XL sized hand.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top