We are near the end of waiting for ammo

That part about Federal sure sounds odd. Are you able to cite a source?

While Im at it, can you substantiate any of those statements or predictions?

I'm not buying any of that without legit proof; they dump on the market, they just crashed their new pricing model

And what were the prices on the various calibers at Rural King ?

But I'll believe it when I see it

Isn't happening around here yet; major retailers like BASS and Academy have empty shelves for the most part.

Everyone thought after the Sandy Hook and Florida school shootings that AR’s would never be available again. There ended up being a glut so big that they were being sold below manufacturing cost.

So, will people learn and buy extra when the supply comes back (which it will), or buy one box at a time and shoot it up, then always expect to buy more?

N9NWO said:

Federal has been reported to have shut down sales at the end of last year because sales were so large that they were being pushed into a higher tax bracket.

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Sorry, but that just sounds like baloney. There is a giant ammo shortage and they figure they can't make enough money to cover taxes?

I believe that another record was set for firearms sales last month. With ammo factories producing at 100% , I can’t see how ammo production can match and exceed demand as long as gun sales continue at unprecedented volume.

Couple that with continued social unrest and insecurity... I hope you are right , but ...

N9NWO said:

The Federal comment was made the Federal rep who handles accounts here in Indiana.

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Do you have a link to prove this ?

N9NWO said:

The Federal comment was made the Federal rep who handles accounts here in Indiana.

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Got a name, at least?

N9NWO said:

The rest is from various sources.

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Various sources? Again links or names, please.

Ammo coming back available, that's rich.

Let's see...

1. Derek Chauvin trial wrapping up
2. Maxine Waters calling for ramped up rioting
3. Border issues increasing
4. War bells ringing in Taiwan and Ukraine
5. The all too common but ramped up threat to the 2A
6. 6 million new gun owners or something like that
7. No increased capacity in ammo plants
8. Threats to importation of ammunition
9. Sin tax on ammo and firearms proposition

As was said by others in this thread and as I've said in the past none of these "ammo's coming back" will mean anything to me until it is sitting on the shelves with pricing such as:

9mm (new brass) $0.22 / round or less
40 S&W (new brass) $0.26 / round or less
45 ACP (new brass) $0.28 / round or less
10mm (new brass) $0.30 / round or less
556 (new brass) $0.32 / round or less

As for now I'm shooting more 22 these days and limiting my depletion of centerfire until this whole thing blows over which I don't anticipate for another 1-2 years to get back to the prices i quoted above.

redneck2 said:

Everyone thought after the Sandy Hook and Florida school shootings that AR’s would never be available again. There ended up being a glut so big that they were being sold below manufacturing cost.

So, will people learn and buy extra when the supply comes back (which it will), or buy one box at a time and shoot it up, then always expect to buy more?

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I've already warned my wife that I'm gonna fill a whole shelf with primers as soon as I can get them again, not gonna get this close to out (less than 1K small and large pistol) again if I can help it.

I will believe it when I see it. There is nothing available in ammo or reloading supplies in this area.

I cast my vote with those who claim they will not believe it until they actually see it.

Only thing on the store shelves around here where the ammo was is dust and spider webs.

I think the OP's sense of an impending end is on target. I just went to AmmoSeek and searched on a half dozen different calibers that I've been used to seeing usually come up "NONE IN STOCK" for more than the past year. Today, only one came up with no in-stock hits (7.5 x 55 Swiss), although the per round prices for some of the others were still pretty astonishing. But...just seeing supply is available gives one hope for better days.

Went to two different stores today. One had a lot of handguns and no ammo. The other had a lot of ammo and no guns. Was able to snare 200 rounds of 9mm Remington...it was at .47¢ per round. That's the maximum I'll go...

Local feed store only had 7.62x39, but a fair bit of it.

And quite a few shot shells.

Oh and that new Western caliber.

I've got a good friend that's high up in the ammo manufacturing/distribution chain and he said dont look for any improvement for at least a year, he said that might even be optimistic if the poop hits the fan in the meantime.

I don't want to be a jerk, but without named sources or links to back up these claims, this is just another "I heard from a friend of a friend whose dad heard from an old military buddy at a poker game..." thread.

I don't think we'll see anything which even remotely resembles "normal" until well into 2022. That is if the world doesn't come to an end by then.

TheBruce said:

.... but without named sources or links to back up these claims, this is just another ... <snip> ... thread.

....That is if the world doesn't come to an end by then.

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Uh huh. Well, you can be as depressed as you want to be but if grabbing at a few straws or seeing the distant shimmer of light at the end of the long dark tunnel gives hope and a positive attitude ... and even if it's second hand or just an anecdotal observation, then we don't need hard data, statistics, sources or links to bolster each other's hopes and positive attitudes. That's what we do here. We do some of the other stuff, too, but don't knock the happy talk even if you don't find any substance in it.

Federal is owned by Vista Outdoors, isn't it? Do they have tax brackets for companies that large? I believe they're taxed at a flat rate of 21%.