We are near the end of waiting for ammo

They stopped selling ammo because they didn’t want to pay taxes? First time I’ve heard that argument...

Just looked for some .30-30 and it's still $3/round. 7.62x39, 9mm, and 5.56 are still double what I'll pay. I'll start to worry when my 25,000 .22s are down to 5000 rounds.

GNP said:

Federal is owned by Vista Outdoors, isn't it? Do they have tax brackets for companies that large? I believe they're taxed at a flat rate of 21%.

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reddog81 said:

They stopped selling ammo because they didn’t want to pay taxes? First time I’ve heard that argument...

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Business school 101. Never be afraid of the tax man.

If this information spread, even if it’s incorrect, it might cause those who are fueling this panic to take a step back and possibly wait it out so they can pay “normal” prices. And if people stop buying, that might cause the capitalists (scalpers) to lower their prices. All of which could cause a domino effect to lower prices even further.

TheBruce said:

I don't want to be a jerk, but without named sources or links to back up these claims, this is just another "I heard from a friend of a friend whose dad heard from an old military buddy at a poker game..." thread.

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Yep.

For the past two weeks local Walmarts have carried a lot of CCI Quiet.22 (I call it CB Long Rifle) at $3.84 a box. One store has a 3 box limit, the other a 1 box limit. 12ga skeet loads Winchester AA s under $8 a box, Win Universal under $6, Win 7.62x51 fmj under $22 abox of 20. The shotshells disappear fast.

What is this “ammo” of which you all are speaking about.

There is very little trickling down in this area. About 3.5 weeks ago I went to Academy sports at 10 not looking for ammo, but stopped by on the way to the restroom and they had 3 different flavors of 9mm,.40,.45,.22, rifle and shotgun ammo. Two of the 9mm was $17.99/50 and Federal was $18.49/50. I was surprised to say the least. 2 box limit. The sales clerk said they didn't know it was coming.This btw was the first reasonably price ammo I have seen in over a year. 1 LGS has ammo, but it is pretty expensive

LGS online flyer, 9mm Blazer no limit $39.99 box.

grap-a-gun had Blazer bulk 1k 9mm for $799.00

Ammo is available but it’s up to you if the cost is acceptable.

You guys make me laugh. The component shortages that run along with ammo shortages are never the same. Buying 4 billion primers might just help you out in the long run but it doesn’t do squat if you can’t find powder. You have to diversify and get ALL the stuff that goes into a round. Primer, powder, bullet, shot, wads, etc.

WestKentucky said:

You guys make me laugh. The component shortages that run along with ammo shortages are never the same. Buying 4 billion primers might just help you out in the long run but it doesn’t do squat if you can’t find powder. You have to diversify and get ALL the stuff that goes into a round. Primer, powder, bullet, shot, wads, etc.

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Well, yeah.

Except I still have and can occasionally find powder and projectiles. Heck I just received a thousand Berry's 230 grain FMJ yesterday and found a few pounds of Autocomp at the shop the other week.

So I plant to stack it all deeper, but most especially primers.

I don't mean to make sense, but Rural King is not the bellwether of the USA ammo market .

I just want to see this Federal ammo guy tell us that little tax story .

JR24 said:

So I plant to stack it all deeper, but most especially primers.

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Primers are probably the hardest thing to make or substitute. Not that it’s difficult to physically make the primer, but getting the chemicals and tools to do it is the hard part. Nitrocellulose powder is dangerous to make and even more dangerous to use homemade powder of unknown burn characteristics because home-brew would probably not be well controlled and therefore not be predictable. Black powder however works. It may not cycle a semiauto and it may not have the velocity or range that smokeless powder does, but it CAN be made relatively simply and safely. Lead can be cast. Brass can be reused several times. So powder and primers should be top priority, bullets if you can’t make your own.

If this thread turns into another “I found10 boxes of doubleaught whatever at the xyz store for .43 per round” kind of a thing , it serves no purpose.

That would be trying to support unsubstantiated speculation with anecdotal observations.

N9NWO said:

It appears that most of the ammunition companies, other than Remington, are nearly caught up in production with their contracts after being shut down for four months last year.

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They were never behind in production, hence no "nearly caught up".

Federal has been reported to have shut down sales at the end of last year because sales were so large that they were being pushed into a higher tax bracket.

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Absolute baloney.

They are reported to have been stockpiling and will do a massive dump on the market in May.

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Enough baloney that I can make two sammiches.

Well you might need another loaf of bread to use all that baloney up! Things are starting to trickle in but until there is a choice of different brands of primers that stay on the shelves for extended periods I will not breath a sigh of relif.

No improvement here in Cincinnati still bare shelves.
I just gave up waiting and spent my Nancy Pelosi money on ammo on GunBroker.
Paid way too much for 9 mm. 22 long rifle and .22 magnum but at least I've got it and don't have to worry about it.
Still can't bring myself to pay what they're asking for .357 Magnum even with free guvment money.

DeepSouth said:

What is this “ammo” of which you all are speaking about.

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"I do not think it means, what you think it means."

Distinguish ....between seeing a fair bit of ammo soon after Opening Hour,

or do we assume that you guys -always-mean...hours Later?

Totally different scenarios and conclusions.

I'm skeptical it's happening this early, I could see spring of 2022

Ammo wise where I am at, its odd ball shotgun shells, and pretty much that's it. Cabelas had about 10 boxes of assorted shotgun shells today. All other shelves that normally have ammo are full of empty plastic ammo cans. Local Bi-Mart is the same, but they filled theirs with rifle scope boxes. Shelves are just plain empty at Ace, and other sporting good stores are stocking a lot of fishing gear.

On another note, J&G Sales ammo, while pricy, is still very limited. 380 acp is about nil, same with other calibers.
If ammo is coming back, then I will be convinced when its more available over all.

I'm seeing ammo coming in in the part of Texas I live in a few of the local GS actually are able to keep it on the shelf's prices are a little elevated but I picked up 250rounds of 10mm for 27$ a box the common stuff don't sit too long 9mm 223 40 38 but its coming regularly now. About the only place I have been able to get primers locally is Cabela's picked up a few k in the last month, as far as powder have not had too much of a problem watching PW Midsouth.