gonoles_1980
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I got one for the Winchester small pistol magnum primers.
Midway discontinuing CCI 500 and 550 primers
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Klaatu Barada Nikto
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I'll stop shooting before I pay $70 or more per 1K for $20/30 per 1K primers, besides, If I am the millionth one on the text/email alert list there is no way I see anything in stock by the time it gets to me.
Meh. Still waiting things out.
Hmm, this may be close to the new norm for theses things.
Think about the oil industry. When the price of crude goes up the price of gas goes up, even though the gas that you are buying has already been refined and in the system for a couple of weeks.
When the price of oil went into negative numbers the price didn't drop, or didn't drop much.
The price we paid for gas when oil was first at $50 a barrel is much lower than the price we pay now when oil drops to $50 a barrel.
It never goes back to the previous average price.
Primers aren't such a widely used commodity as oil is. When and if there is ever a glut of primers it may get close to what it once was.
But in todays geopolitical climate I just can't see that happening anytime soon.
Your results may vary.
Yea, me too, when I saw this thread I said to myself, ***.
ballman6711
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I thought this too at first, but after a bit more thinking I have changed my mind.
I currently load 45acp for about $7 per box of 50. The increase in primer cost (assuming my other component costs don't change) will bring me up to about $10.50 per box. Not a significant increase in my mind, and still much lower than any factory ammo I can find.
chris
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Same here. I got no notifications other than the discontinuing product one. Sucks for me.
bigpower491
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I got the first notification Thursday, another couple yesterday.
Seen Midway in the inbox and said cool, til I opened it.
Hopefully they'll come back, but I don't really see the prices coming down, tho.
Why would they, when they see what people are willing to pay. The people paying it for the most part I believe, are people that are new to our game. They aren't like most of us, who remember paying 10 bux/1000. Some who have done it longer than I probably less than that.
Is what it is, I reckon
Airborne Falcon
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A penny a piece is about the cheapest I can remember. I actually remember in the 70s when reloading components, metal reloading components other than brass, (and even then it was all milsurp or 38 special or 45 acp milsurp), were hard to find and more expensive than they are now relatively speaking. (Bullet technology back then was not nearly what it is today so we all cast for 38 and 45 back then unless we lucked-up on some pulled bullets or something ... I've still got a couple of old Lee and Lyman presses from those days). Prices dropped in the late 80s and 90s because production went-up and reloading became more mainstream but still not overtly-so ... it really began to happen when bullet manufacturers started popping-up everywhere and then more presses came along and so-on and so forth. More people are doing it now as evidenced by, not only the components shortage but also the press shortages, the dies, the tumblers and shell holders and anything and everything to-do with reloading. My gosh even walnut and corn cob media has doubled in price. Used-to-be you could get into reloading for around $100 bucks ... find a used press, some range brass and a couple of die sets and you were off and running.
I also truly believe that YouTube has played a big role in boosting interest in reloading and that goes hand-in-hand with political climate of course ... reloading really got bigger beginning in 2008, then it petered-off-some in 2014 and things smoothed-out a bit until this last election ... now all bets are off. This seems a little different because this time there is a full-on push for all sorts of gun control and that will inevitability lead to ammo issues as it did under Obama when he cut-off surplus milspec stuff via the bases and then instituted this massive government agency buy that tied-up all the major manufacturers.
It's all part of the left's plan and we are having to adjust and plan for such ... so stockpiling is even more of a thing this time than in 2008-2014. More fear of the future, more people out there reloading, more violence in the air .... I mean prices are not going to drop, in a significant way, anytime soon even if supply increases because demand is going to remain high for awhile. Who knows how long.
I've been around long enough to recognize that this time seems strangely different, a bit more ominously-so, than past hiccups in the supply chain. This time seems more permanently transformative than in the past. As if something has changed, as if things are not going back to normal anytime soon and, even when it does go back to some semblance of normality ... it will be a new normal. It will not be the same comfortable normal we were used-to before February 2020.
That's not "sky is falling end of the world" stuff ... it's just my observations and instincts fwiw. There are now nearly ⅓ more gun owners today than there were 18 months ago. I'd be almost willing to bet that there was probably that much of a jump in new reloaders as well. Those two realizations alone are enough to keep us short of ammo and reloading components for at least another year or two if not longer. That's provided the riots ease-up and Conservatives win the midterms and provided we do not end-up in a war somewhere.
I also truly believe that YouTube has played a big role in boosting interest in reloading and that goes hand-in-hand with political climate of course ... reloading really got bigger beginning in 2008, then it petered-off-some in 2014 and things smoothed-out a bit until this last election ... now all bets are off. This seems a little different because this time there is a full-on push for all sorts of gun control and that will inevitability lead to ammo issues as it did under Obama when he cut-off surplus milspec stuff via the bases and then instituted this massive government agency buy that tied-up all the major manufacturers.
It's all part of the left's plan and we are having to adjust and plan for such ... so stockpiling is even more of a thing this time than in 2008-2014. More fear of the future, more people out there reloading, more violence in the air .... I mean prices are not going to drop, in a significant way, anytime soon even if supply increases because demand is going to remain high for awhile. Who knows how long.
I've been around long enough to recognize that this time seems strangely different, a bit more ominously-so, than past hiccups in the supply chain. This time seems more permanently transformative than in the past. As if something has changed, as if things are not going back to normal anytime soon and, even when it does go back to some semblance of normality ... it will be a new normal. It will not be the same comfortable normal we were used-to before February 2020.
That's not "sky is falling end of the world" stuff ... it's just my observations and instincts fwiw. There are now nearly ⅓ more gun owners today than there were 18 months ago. I'd be almost willing to bet that there was probably that much of a jump in new reloaders as well. Those two realizations alone are enough to keep us short of ammo and reloading components for at least another year or two if not longer. That's provided the riots ease-up and Conservatives win the midterms and provided we do not end-up in a war somewhere.
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Nope, it will come around just like it has every other time. Be patient my friends, it will get better, just can't say when for sure.
ballman6711
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Yes, it doe's feel different this time. "Strangely different" as you say.
But this time around we also have a few other factors that we've never had before. Civil unrest to include protests, riots, and mass shootings.
We also have a worldwide virus, a pandemic, the likes of which hasn't been seen in about 100 years or so.
Add in a few other factors and we really do have a perfect storm.
I only started reloading in 2018, so I don't have a lot of knowledge or experience with reloading shortages.
But I do remember things being crazy many times before. Couldn't find 22lr during Obama's second term, AR-15 mags for $150 during the Clinton AWB, and so on....
It will come around, and it will get better. How long is anybody's guess, but it will.
Midway has dropped a product off their website for one reason or another, or maybe multiple reasons that they know and we don't. They will or won't put it back on their website, based on what they decide is best for their business.
I made similar decisions when I had my business, based on my information and what direction I wanted to go.
The new "Normal" will be what it will be, and only time will tell what that is.
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