Is 45acp fading away?

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I have found precious little evidence to support modern bullets making smaller cartridges more powerful or what have you over a larger cartridge.

I am not a 9mm hater. I have preferred it from long before the “modern bullets” mantra. My second carry gun was an H&K P2000SK LEM and it replaced a Para Ordnance CCW LDA 45 ACP. The Para was a wonderful carry gun. Fully melted with a Commander barrel on an Officers size grip. The H&K just melted into my hand and I could hit anything with it.

Modern bullets have made 9mm a better performer. At the same time they have made 40 and 45 better as well.

What has happened though is that 9mm (and 380) really fit well into the small concealable pistol category for a gun that can have adequate capacity while being very carryable and in in a round that won’t rip your wrist off in such a small package.

The modern bullets of 9mm have helped in this arena a lot. The 9mm modern bullets have brought 9mm up to an apparent agreeable level of performance so folks have become more convinced of its viability as a concealed carry round. This also pertains to duty weapons of LE agencies and they can better afford more ammo than they can in 40 or 45 for training and duty purposes.

9mm has fallen into a niche performance-wise that makes it very attractive on a few levels. Economical, practical, adequate performance, politically friendly (LE budgets), and a plethora of concealable pistols available to complement this paradigm.
 
I don't think the .45 acp is going the way of the dodo just yet. Sure, you can fit more 9mm into the small, concealable handguns that are the current rage, but "Old, Fat and Slow" still has a lot going for it. It's easy to shoot and does the trick.
 
I don't see the 45 being obsolete anytime soon. Or the 38/357 either. There are just too many thousands of guns out there chambered in those cartridges. Yeah, its popularity in new sales has fallen off but it will still be around for a long time.

And as far as cost to reload it compared to the 9mm, the bullet is the only thing more expensive. The primer and powder cost are about the same and if you are sitting on tons of free lead the difference between bullet weights is a moot point.

Most of the brass that I find is 9mm, 223 and 40 S&W followed by 45 ACP. In my mind, 4th place doesn't make it obsolete in my mind.
 
The .45 ACP became obsolete for me back in 1996 when I traded in my Ruger D90 that held 7 rounds for a Glock 22 that held 15 rounds. Carried a .40 S&W for the next 24 years for CCW until a year ago when I got the P365.

Heck, bought my first 1911 last year and got it in .40 S&W.

For some reason, I still have 600+ rounds of .45 ACP in an ammo can in everything from Black Talons to Blazer Aluminum. I need to sell it, but can't find anyone local that wants it. Not going to try and ship it either. Need to go to a gun show and try and trade it for something I can use.
 
The .45 ACP became obsolete for me back in 1996 when I traded in my Ruger D90 that held 7 rounds for a Glock 22 that held 15 rounds. Carried a .40 S&W for the next 24 years for CCW until a year ago when I got the P365.

Heck, bought my first 1911 last year and got it in .40 S&W.

For some reason, I still have 600+ rounds of .45 ACP in an ammo can in everything from Black Talons to Blazer Aluminum. I need to sell it, but can't find anyone local that wants it. Not going to try and ship it either. Need to go to a gun show and try and trade it for something I can use.
Where do you live that no one wants 600 rounds of 45 ACP?
 
As I said, I do not choose the .45 to carry (though I would certainly do so).

But when it comes to shooing at targets, and shooing for precision, I much prefer a high-end, accurate Model1911 with a great trigger to my CCW choice. With light wadcutter loads....

And for real fun at the range, I would prefer any single action revolver I have seen in CraigC's collection. That includes cartridge conversions in calibers less prevalent today than the .45 ACP

"Obscure"? If you can feed it, who cares?
 
I think you’d be hard-pressed to find a caliber more effective than .45acp if you are able to shoot the guns chambered in it effectively.

The advances which have made 9mm as effective, or more effective, than old school .45 hardball or hollowpoints, when applied to .45acp make it even more effective. However.... Because of its form factor and recoil characteristics it does not lend itself to CCW for many, which in turn limits its mass popularity in an era of caliber standardization and new shooters often searching for one gun that does it all. It’s also comparatively expensive, closely tied to the 1911 platform (love it or hate it) in the minds of many, and difficult to engineer into a high-capacity platform without making the grip a little on the large side for many to shoot effectively.

I personally love my 1911 in .45, but I need to train more with it, to rival the follow up speed I can get with a smaller caliber. So it’s hard for me to recommend to a new shooter something I feel I have not mastered myself.

For the right person it’s a great caliber, but I certainly see why it’s become somewhat niche.
 
...However.... Because of its form factor and recoil characteristics it does not lend itself to CCW for many, which in turn limits its mass popularity in an era of caliber standardization and new shooters often searching for one gun that does it all....

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I take at least one 45acp handgun with me to the range virtually every trip.

My favorites are my S&W 625, S&W M&P semiauto, Blackhawk, and 1911.

I shoot more 45acp than any other "large" caliber,
 
I take at least one 45acp handgun with me to the range virtually every trip.

My favorites are my S&W 625, S&W M&P semiauto, Blackhawk, and 1911.

I shoot more 45acp than any other "large" caliber,
Same here. I roll-up the rare public range trips, especially professionally mandated ones, with at least one magazine from a 1911 and one clip from a Garand. It's a GREAT way to punctuate going to a rather rigidly run public range.

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After learning the basics on 22LR dad introduced me to the 1911 45acp which has been a lifelong companion.

Even as far back as 20-30 years ago I’ve owned a Beretta 92, SiG 226 and a couple other 9mm, 380 & various other smaller calibers but when we regained the right to carry concealed, along with most NFA rights in 2007, I like many people started looking seriously at smaller pistols for carry. Now I own nearly as many 9’s as I do 45’s and haven’t purchased a 45 for several years.

It occurred to me a few weeks ago, and I’ve been watching for threads on 45’s on all boards & social media I’m a member on, and it’s becoming a rare thing to see anything on 45’s ... even with 40S&W falling from favor with LEO departments they seem to be leaning to the 9mm as well.

So, what say you?
Is the short, fat & slow 45acp fading into obscurity?
At my 25-yard range, 45Acp is the #1 round after the “main stuff” of 9mm, 380, 223 and 12-gauge
 
I own three cartridge handguns; two are in the fading away .45 ACP, and the other is the well faded .38 Spl. Yet manufacturers are still making guns on both calibers. 9mm may be hogging the spotlight right now, but it stood stageside for over 50 years while the .38 Spl and .45 ACP were front and center. I suspect all three will be around until ray weapons and phased pulse pistols are standard issue.


It's a 45 caliber pistol captain. They used these on earth in the 20th century. They actually still work but it's messy. They don't have any settings.
 
I think as long as there is lead, reloading gear, and large pistol primers, the 45 colt and ACP are going to be around.

If I can double or triple my LPP stock, I can virtually guarantee it will be around until after I and my 20 year old son are both gone. He likes the "vintage" 1911s also.

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I don't think that the 45 is done.

It is part of the ebb and flow of fad and fashion. Bell bottoms, .40, longer hair for guys all coming back...
 
I don't think that the 45 is done.

It is part of the ebb and flow of fad and fashion. Bell bottoms, .40, longer hair for guys all coming back...

Fall of '19 I went back to Madison for a football game and hit some of our classic bars from college and it looked like the early 90's again. Belly shirts, high waisted pants and flannel galore.
 
After learning the basics on 22LR dad introduced me to the 1911 45acp which has been a lifelong companion.

Even as far back as 20-30 years ago I’ve owned a Beretta 92, SiG 226 and a couple other 9mm, 380 & various other smaller calibers but when we regained the right to carry concealed, along with most NFA rights in 2007, I like many people started looking seriously at smaller pistols for carry. Now I own nearly as many 9’s as I do 45’s and haven’t purchased a 45 for several years.

It occurred to me a few weeks ago, and I’ve been watching for threads on 45’s on all boards & social media I’m a member on, and it’s becoming a rare thing to see anything on 45’s ... even with 40S&W falling from favor with LEO departments they seem to be leaning to the 9mm as well.

So, what say you?
Is the short, fat & slow 45acp fading into obscurity?
I think a 10 round limit will have a huge impact on that choice. Round count was an important factor to a lot. If they carry the same which would you choose.
 
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