Who makes a low profile sight w/less than a 2.0 mil dot?

I have had success with Primary Arms red dots (which are 2 moa). You can adjust the brightness which helps adjust the dot size at distance. Have no trouble with my pistol carbines at 100 to 150 yards. You can use them as low profile or use the risers and get a higher profile.

The only trouble I have had was some base separation on one after several years of use. That was fixed by replacing the screws in the base. And in very bright sunlight you have to crank up the brightness. But, this is probably standard behavior for most red dots.

I have also used Vortex, Sig and Holosun red dots. All of these seem very similar in performance with Primary Arms based on my experience.

I have no experience with the high priced red dots like aimpoint, burris etc.

Look at the Ultradot brands. I use the Gen 2 Ultradot match dot. The dot is adjustable for 2 4 6 8 MOA. I know you mentioned smaller than 2, but the multiple brightness settings makes the 2 MOA dot look very small. I use them on my bullseye pistols.

2 MOA will be just fine for 50-100 yards. 2, 3, and 6 MOA is pretty much standard for most red dots. The 2 and 3 MOA dots are designed for more prices targeting. Adjust the brightness just enough that you are not straining to see it. Any brighter and it will seem bigger. This is true for pretty much any brand of red dot optic.

Owning T2 sights in 2 & 4moa along with a 4moa PA that I bought used I agree with the above post. I run the PA on a 22lr AR and my only change in procedure is to turn the dot off when not in use. I plan to buy another PA dot as I've had good service from the one that I bought used.

Keith

If you're aiming at something small enough that a 2 MOA dot is obscuring it, try adjusting your zero for a 6 o'clock hold.

I typically don't like setting a red dot for a 6 o'clock hold, but I have done it for a .22 magnum rifle of mine in the past. It got the job done, but I ended up changing to a magnified optic to make seeing small targets easier.

I don’t know of any under 2 MOA. How high above the bore are you looking for?

There are some that are low enough that they need a riser to use on an AR, at least as a shouldered firearm never played with one as a pistol.

An Eotech’s center dot is diffraction limited, e.g. as small as a red dot can possibly be, due to the way it is generated. For people with average eyes, that will be perceived as ~1 MOA, although it will be even sharper with a magnifier or with above-average vision.

benEzra said:

An Eotech’s center dot is diffraction limited, e.g. as small as a red dot can possibly be, due to the way it is generated. For people with average eyes, that will be perceived as ~1 MOA, although it will be even sharper with a magnifier or with above-average vision.

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I forgot how small an EOTech dot can appear.

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Holosun's have some with 2mil dots and the ring, same sort of thing as the EO Tech above.
507 and 510, 507 is smaller size, 510 gives you a bigger window, decent price on both.

Solution looking for a problem in those distances IMO

Just how wide is the traditional front sight blade? I think any 2MOA dot sight will provide a finer picture / aiming then that.

And I also concur, just adjust for a 6o'clock hold i.e. ''ball on a post''. Gr8t idea, ideas are what the OP is looking for...

Sig ROMEO5 is my vote

Good luck!

Rembrandt said:

Found this 1.5 moa red dot but not much information or reviews on it.

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DI Optical? http://diopticalusa.com/?page_id=2398
I'd want to see through it before I bought it, or at least buy it from a place with an easy return policy.

I hope DI Optical is ready for the North American market this time around. They are supposedly a maker of red dots for the South Korean military.

I can tell you that I bought a DIO T3S red dot a few years back and the lens reflections coming back into my eye were bad enough I returned the DIO to Primary Arms and got something else. Not long after that, Primary Arms no longer offered any DIO on their website. It was a ruggedly built red dot, but DIO needed to improve their lens coatings. I have pretty low standards when it comes to optics, but even a Bushnell TRS25 has better lens coatings than the DIO I had.

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I run 3 MOA on all my red dots, but I have astigmatism, so they all look like 10 MOA dots shaped like Elmo. I am amazed at the groups I can get at 50 yards still, lol.

Good link for dot size here to let you see the difference

https://cmore.com/DotSize

I run 3 MOA on all my red dots, but I have astigmatism, so they all look like 10 MOA dots shaped like Elmo.

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(note: laughing with you not at you)
I always thought the dots were supposed to be fuzzy.
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I believe you can get the RMR and SRO with 1 MOA dot.

Personally I get the 2.5 or 3.5 MOA dots.

Red dots are poor at target shooting.

They are designed to give a fast sight picture and excel against moving targets.

JCooperfan1911 said:

Red dots are poor at target shooting.

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Exact opposite of mine and dozens of others experience with them.

Us with older eyes find that our groups magically shrink when using a red dot compared to iron sights.

My Glock G19 MOS will do maybe 2" at 25 yards with factory sights. But with a Burris Fastfire III installed, it will do 1"...

Red dots on a pistol or even carbine have several advantages over irons.

One big one is, once you get past a certain distance, they don't cover up your target.

I was sighting in an RMR on a pistol last fall, on steel, and my buddy asked why I was sighting it in at 100 yards. Woops, it seemed closer.

Trey Veston said:

Exact opposite of mine and dozens of others experience with them.

Us with older eyes find that our groups magically shrink when using a red dot compared to iron sights.

My Glock G19 MOS will do maybe 2" at 25 yards with factory sights. But with a Burris Fastfire III installed, it will do 1"...

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Interesting.

I've been toying with the idea of placing a dot on my Browning automatic .22 break down rifle for plinking uses. I have an Aimpoint H2 with 2MOA I need to wring for groups.

JCooperfan1911 said:

Interesting.

I've been toying with the idea of placing a dot on my Browning automatic .22 break down rifle for plinking uses. I have an Aimpoint H2 with 2MOA I need to wring for groups.

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I poo-pooed the idea of red dots for a long time. Saw them as unnecessary tactical doo-dads for mall ninja warriors. Then I bought a cheap one off of Amazon for under $50 to try on a pistol. It worked! Bought a nice $200 Burris model and was amazed at how much my groups shrunk.

They are like Viagra. They help older gentleman perform like they did 20 years ago.

Trey Veston said:

I poo-pooed the idea of red dots for a long time. Saw them as unnecessary tactical doo-dads for mall ninja warriors. Then I bought a cheap one off of Amazon for under $50 to try on a pistol. It worked! Bought a nice $200 Burris model and was amazed at how much my groups shrunk.

They are like Viagra. They help older gentleman perform like they did 20 years ago.

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I haven't performed well in that regard since about the 90s. Have never tried Viagra but might need to.

JCooperfan1911 said:

Red dots are poor at target shooting.

They are designed to give a fast sight picture and excel against moving targets.

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Red dots have been used by competitors in Bullseye/Precision Pistol for quite some time. 20 years, maybe more? https://www.bullseyepistol.com/dotsight.htm *

One thing is for sure, when my eyes were better I thought less of any optic. With middle aged eyes I have fully become a great fan of red dots after experimenting with them over the last 10+ years.

*That's useful but old info, just with an updated copyright.