Winchester 9mm 124 FMJ Nato Specs?"

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Actual results of FPS vary from shot to shot. Also
the barrel length of a pistol is a factor as is the
indoor and outdoor temperatures.

The FPS on the box is merely an "average" in testing
but should be consistent within whatever load level
Winchester has chosen for that category or level of power.
 
Reggies, FWIW I've used thousands of rounds of the Winchester 124 grain NATO ammo over the last 20 years or so. Just out of ballistic curiosity, I have chronographed the Winchester NATO in a variety of pistols, revolvers and a 16" carbine. I guess my results are not a great deal different from what the gentleman in the YouTube video observed.

The Walmart NATO labeled 1140 FPS averaged 1214 FPS in a 5" barrel, the same Walmart NATO labeled 1200 FPS averaged 1221 FPS in the same 5" barrel. An obviously insignificant difference. In my 5" guns, Winchester 124 grain 9MM NATO averages 1200 FPS or so, whether the 1140 or 1200 FPS labeled stuff purchased at Walmart, or the Q4318 Win. NATO purchased over the years in case lots.....
 
Rock185 said:
Reggies, FWIW I've used thousands of rounds of the Winchester 124 grain NATO ammo over the last 20 years or so. Just out of ballistic curiosity, I have chronographed the Winchester NATO in a variety of pistols, revolvers and a 16" carbine. I guess my results are not a great deal different from what the gentleman in the YouTube video observed.

The Walmart NATO labeled 1140 FPS averaged 1214 FPS in a 5" barrel, the same Walmart NATO labeled 1200 FPS averaged 1221 FPS in the same 5" barrel. An obviously insignificant difference. In my 5" guns, Winchester 124 grain 9MM NATO averages 1200 FPS or so, whether the 1140 or 1200 FPS labeled stuff purchased at Walmart, or the Q4318 Win. NATO purchased over the years in case lots.....
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Didn't watch the video - but how does that compare with regular non - NATO 9mm rounds of the same bullet weights, through your pistols and carbines?

Just curious.
 
Rock185,

You wrote 5-inch barrel(s) so I'll assume CZ,
Beretta, 1911 or HP. Seems most other
manufacturers' barrels are shorter for pistols.
(Or what's the barrel on Glock 17s?)
 
ReggiesFree said:
Winchester 9mm 124 FMJ Nato Specs?"
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STANAG 4090 - Small Arms Ammunition (9 mm Parabellum):

Bullet Mass and Energy
4. The mass of all bullets shall be within the limits 7.0 g (108 grains) to 8.0 g (128 grains) inclusive. The energy at the muzzle when fired from a standard proof barrel should not be less than 542 J (400 ft-lbs) and not more than 814 J (600 ft-lbs).

So, for a 124 grain bullet the minimum velocity is 1205 fps and the maximum is 1476 fps when fired from a 199.34mm (7.848") barrel (the standard proof barrel length).

Yeah, the stuff is probably NATO Spec.
 
I don't have any guns with a 7.848" barrel. The closest I have is a gun with a 5.9" barrel. In the 5.9" barrel, Winchester 124 grain NATO averages 1244 FPS. I also chronographed some IMI 124 grain NATO. The IMI NATO averages about 3%-5% higher in velocity than the Winchester NATO in a variety of barrel lengths. In the same 5.9" barrel for instance, the IMI NATO averaged 1286 FPS.

The Glockodile, Had to look through some old chronograph notes for this one, but found I had tested the standard pressure Federal American Eagle 124 grain ball in a couple of 5" guns, and a 16" carbine. It averaged 1075 FPS in one 5" gun, and 1115 FPS in the other. In a 16" carbine, the same standard pressure AE 124 grain averaged 1171 FPS.
 
If it is truly nato spec the primer will be crimped in requiring of the crimp for repriming for best results.

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lysanderxiii said:
STANAG 4090 - Small Arms Ammunition (9 mm Parabellum):

Bullet Mass and Energy
4. The mass of all bullets shall be within the limits 7.0 g (108 grains) to 8.0 g (128 grains) inclusive. The energy at the muzzle when fired from a standard proof barrel should not be less than 542 J (400 ft-lbs) and not more than 814 J (600 ft-lbs).

So, for a 124 grain bullet the minimum velocity is 1205 fps and the maximum is 1476 fps when fired from a 199.34mm (7.848") barrel (the standard proof barrel length).

Yeah, the stuff is probably NATO Spec.
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Thank you for that, I had it in my head that STANAG was 115gr FMJ. The 124gr rounds are "new" at least to me.
 
CapnMac said:
Thank you for that, I had it in my head that STANAG was 115gr FMJ. The 124gr rounds are "new" at least to me.
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NATO can be 115 grains . . .

The point was 9mm NATO covers a lot of ground: pretty anemic (a 108 grain bullet at about 1,200 fps out of a typical 4 inch pistol barrel) to fairly hot (a 128 grain bullet at 1,450 fps out of a submachine gun).
 
I have both Winchester and IMI 9mm NATO ammo on hand. Reloading both type cases, I found that the Winchester NATO is more heavily crimped, and required removal of the primer crimp. The IMI is more lightly crimped, and has not required removal of the crimp prior to reloading. I've also used SIG 9mm labeled NATO. The SIG "NATO" 9mm is not marked with the cross in a circle, the case mouth and primer are not sealed, and the primer is not crimped. I don't know, maybe any 9mm ammunition can be labeled NATO for commercial marketing purposes now days?o_O?
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lysanderxiii said:
NATO can be 115 grains . . .

The point was 9mm NATO covers a lot of ground: pretty anemic (a 108 grain bullet at about 1,200 fps out of a typical 4 inch pistol barrel) to fairly hot (a 128 grain bullet at 1,450 fps out of a submachine gun).
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Yeah I like that hot sub gun ammo.
But it seems pretty easy to hit that kind velocity with slower powder and a longer 7 or 8 inch smg barrel.
 
CapnMac said:
Thank you for that, I had it in my head that STANAG was 115gr FMJ. The 124gr rounds are "new" at least to me.
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Oh, and just to close the loop on this. The standard British loading, which was adopted just about everywhere except the US*, was 115 gr round nose at 1300 fps out of a Browning HP, and close to 1400 fps out of a STEN. This load was very popular among the post war adopters of the Parabellum.

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* The US preferred the original German Patrone 08 load of 124gr at 1082 fps.
 
ReggiesFree said:
Hey guys,
What is the accurate FPS on this ammo?
On the box, it says 1140 FPS, yet on the Winchester same site where I got the pic from it shows 1200 FPS??? https://winchester.com/Products/Ammunition/Handgun/USA/Q4318
like so:
Convert Units
DISTANCE(YARDS) VELOCITY(FPS) ENERGY(FT-LBS)
Muzzle - 1200 396
5 yds - 1188 388
25 yds - 1142 359


View attachment 997593
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On the Win USA 124 gr FMJ box it has the exact same factory specs:

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We shoot a lot of it it as our practice ammo at work, I prefer the 124 to the 115 in our Glocks and Mp5’s. Covid slowed down range time last year, I’m still doing ok for ammo for our sworn. By now this is normally down to about 7500 in reserve. (I just submitted my 2021-2022 ammo order last Friday.)

For 2021-2022 I have two additional all day range training days planned for fall and spring, in addition to monthly quals, so we will be make up a bit of the lost practice time.

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Stay safe.
 
At days end this should ONLY be considered a training load.

FMJ 9mm ball is proven impotent. A quality jacketed hollow point round is tremendously superior for self defense.
 
JCooperfan1911 said:
At days end this should ONLY be considered a training load.

FMJ 9mm ball is proven impotent. A quality jacketed hollow point round is tremendously superior for self defense.
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While I agree 100 percent that a good hollow point should be carried for defense..... 9mm FMJ is far from impotent. Ive seen a fair number of guys on the street shot DRT with 9mm FMJ. If I was forced to carry FMJ for some reason, I would not feel undergunned.
 
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