TX Constitutional carry, deal reached
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No, 30.07 prohibits open carry only
and 30.06 prohibits concealed carry (and I would assume that if licensed carry is prohibited, open carry would be as well ?)
ETA: Can't find an official 30.05 sign but based on what I've read so far, it appears that there is more leeway on this signage. IMHO, the 30.05 would prohibit concealed and open carry all in one.
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chicharrones
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If the proposed legislation passes, my thoughts are that I'll renew my LTC. I'm not sure of the benefits in the long term, yet.
Mine actually expires in a matter of months. I will renew for now as I do a lot of RV traveling. It will likely depend on what other states are going to do with our new laws.
unclenunzie
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I am aware of what the current signs mean, but I was wondering if they would still be enforceable to prevent licensed carry altogether once the new law takes effect. After all, without a third sign to notify unlicensed persons not to carry, it hardly makes sense to block only licensed persons.
chicharrones
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I don't leave the state by car often, but that does help. The places I fly to tend to not have reciprocity, so I don't consider it useful for flying.
That seems to provide more relief for gun store employees than for me. Lol.
Some of my customer's security personnel will hold my drivers license as long as I'm wearing their building access badge. When I step out for lunch, having the second ID is somewhat reassuring.
Good points, Otto. Makes it worth the $40 or whatever renewal is these days.
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Just did and cheap enough for reciprocity, background checks etc. Who knows, this new law may disappear in the next session with all the libs moving here...
CapnMac
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If I read it right, the change is that you have to sign all the entrances, not just the "principal" ones the Ghostbusters signs required.
Well, the signs were not just for LTC, even the 30.06 & 30.07 (there were a number of ways unlicensed people could carry, they were just few and limited).
The change right now is that the language on the 30.06 & 30.07 about losing one's LTC along with the Criminal Trespass will not be entirely accurate.
Choctaw
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I have the LTC even though I'm in law enforcement and can carry in many places. I will renew because it simplifies firearms transactions.
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Absolutely, it allows travel to states that recognize it and no NICS when buying guns.
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Too many from more-restrictive States bringing their politics with them to the Sunshine State.
They leave oppression to then want to e oppressed again. Sigh
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Same reason they passed their college courses, they regurgitate the words from the people that grade (pay) them. Anyone that has the impression University’s are places of diverse thinking and freedoms haven’t been to any in a long, long time. I suppose the same could be said of “journalism” / propaganda outlets.
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P5 Guy
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The theme parks rule the state legislators.
The Federal GFSZ Act, alone, would be a reason, for me, to want to keep and maintain a Texas LTC. Prosecutions are rare, but let’s keep in mind that this would be prosecuted in the federal court system. Read, become educated, and make an informed personal decision.
It is convenient to be able to skip the NICS check, when buying a firearm, at an FFL.
I can carry, under the terms of the LEOSA, but there may be gaps in the LEOSA, that may make it a best practice to have a state-issued LTC. (I will not openly address these gaps, on a publicly-viewable forum.) Plus, my LEOSA carry status has a hard expiration date, each year. Such things as pandemics and other emergencies can prevent a timely renewal of the annual “qual.” I live near the Louisiana border, and often drive to parts east, so, I want to have an LTC that is recognized in other states, if something like a COVID health emergency, a natural disaster, or another problem, interrupts my LEOSA carry ability.
Moreover, what the government giveth, the government can taketh away. A reversal of HB 1927 could occur, in the court system, or during a future legislative session. Best to have that LTC.
We do not yet know how the signage issues will evolve, so, I would hang onto the LTC, until any issues can float to the top. It might take a court decision to settle the details.
It is convenient to be able to skip the NICS check, when buying a firearm, at an FFL.
I can carry, under the terms of the LEOSA, but there may be gaps in the LEOSA, that may make it a best practice to have a state-issued LTC. (I will not openly address these gaps, on a publicly-viewable forum.) Plus, my LEOSA carry status has a hard expiration date, each year. Such things as pandemics and other emergencies can prevent a timely renewal of the annual “qual.” I live near the Louisiana border, and often drive to parts east, so, I want to have an LTC that is recognized in other states, if something like a COVID health emergency, a natural disaster, or another problem, interrupts my LEOSA carry ability.
Moreover, what the government giveth, the government can taketh away. A reversal of HB 1927 could occur, in the court system, or during a future legislative session. Best to have that LTC.
We do not yet know how the signage issues will evolve, so, I would hang onto the LTC, until any issues can float to the top. It might take a court decision to settle the details.
edcknives
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I have carry insurance through CCW Safe, the best 16.00 a month legal self defense protection you can buy. It's that inexpensive when you have your LTC and covers you in the other states that have reciprocity that otherwise wouldn't and covers you in Constitutional carry states by default. Many states still require a NICS even if you do have an LTC, though it's nice when they don't. CT where I have mine does a check but does not go through NICS and processes it quickly. I also have an AZ carry permit which allows me 31 additional states for nonresident reciprocity. My next LTC will be Florida. Better to have and not need it than need it and not have it.
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Miami police chief calls new Texas handgun measure "ridiculous" (msn.com)
Miami Police Chief Art Acevedo, who used to lead the Houston Police Department, called a new measure approved by the Texas state Legislature that would allow people to carry handguns without a license "ridiculous" and urged Governor Greg Abbott to veto the bill.
Miami Police Chief Art Acevedo, who used to lead the Houston Police Department, called a new measure approved by the Texas state Legislature that would allow people to carry handguns without a license "ridiculous" and urged Governor Greg Abbott to veto the bill.
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That's no surprise...AA is a leftist from wayback. There is no chance The Gov will take his advice on this or any other subject!
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He was Police Chief in Austin for a good while too. He loves the camera and has a holier than tho personality. He’ll probably be in politics (officially) soon.
Discussing Acevedo is worthless. He was against the concealed carry laws. But he isn't our main topic.
The problem with this law is if it generates significant numbers of total ban signs in commonly used businesses and offices. We will see about that.
The problem with this law is if it generates significant numbers of total ban signs in commonly used businesses and offices. We will see about that.
How do we combat business just throwing up 30.05 signs because it’s simple and easy? I will talk to the manager of my favorite restaurant, urging her to keep the 30.07 only. We can influence small businesses but most of us won’t have any clout at our local Walmart or Target. We can assume the antis will have a full blown campaign for the 30.05 signs.
See how that works for you, if it is so easy. While this is only one anecdote, when a local restaurant chain put up a 30.07, I asked the manager about push back. She said two old toots had tantrums on the first day and that was it. There was no drop in business.
If the signs do go up at the WalMarts, HEBs, Targets or other major locales, that will be a major unintended consequence of loss.
During the first CHL period, lots of ghost buster signs went up all over. It was only the move to 30.06's that took some of them down. Now the 30.07s seem to have broken the bias against ugly signs. Antis will push for them.
It has always been a strategy to make carry such a pain that folks won't do it. If you have to leave your gun in the car, repeatedly that is not good.
While a diversion, I always opposed businesses being able to ban carry. The MUH PROPERTY RIGHTZ don't trump the right to defend yourself. If you are open to the public, you don't take away their rights. You expect the public to pay taxes for the police and fire to come to your joint. Why should we pay for that if you take away the right of self-defense. Have your 'rights' and put out your own fires and deal with crime yourself.
If the signs do go up at the WalMarts, HEBs, Targets or other major locales, that will be a major unintended consequence of loss.
During the first CHL period, lots of ghost buster signs went up all over. It was only the move to 30.06's that took some of them down. Now the 30.07s seem to have broken the bias against ugly signs. Antis will push for them.
It has always been a strategy to make carry such a pain that folks won't do it. If you have to leave your gun in the car, repeatedly that is not good.
While a diversion, I always opposed businesses being able to ban carry. The MUH PROPERTY RIGHTZ don't trump the right to defend yourself. If you are open to the public, you don't take away their rights. You expect the public to pay taxes for the police and fire to come to your joint. Why should we pay for that if you take away the right of self-defense. Have your 'rights' and put out your own fires and deal with crime yourself.
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