We Warned You!
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CapnMac
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Totally off topic, but several British studies point to not giving nuts and nut meal to children seems to increase the severity of allergic reactions. The current thinking is that the children's immune system is most "plastic" at an early age, and that age is being missed.
Swerving this back on topic, there may be a similarity in that educating gun owners seems to "take" better the earlier it is presented. Or, revisiting the old adage about teaching old dogs new tricks.
Does not mean "we" can't learn, just that it's human nature to under-appreciate the effort "unlearning" requires.
Jim Watson
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I have heard that waivers and warnings will not stand up to legal attack. It is not your fault these days, you know.
Don_P
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Off topic maybe but very relative if you think about it. Just replace the text "nuts and nut meal" with "parental guidance or a swift kick in the ass when necessary".
There should have been a "British study" that reads: "not giving junior parental guidance or a swift kick in the ass when appropriate seems to increase the severity of moronic activity throughout their life.
Being un-involved or just plain disinterested in kids lives has its consequences. The parents of these geniuses that need reminding guns are dangerous, or falling off a ladder might get you hurt, or eating laundry soap might not be the smartest thing to do are the ones to blame. A drastic societal change is long overdue.
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Look at a Ruger
thank you. I found pics online and it is quite a mouthful.
SwampWolf
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Well, you've got to admit-"Please Drink Responsibly" admonitions pasted on the label of every bottle and can of hootch being distilled in this country has gone a long way in curbing America's appetite for alcohol. 
X62503
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We keep them too clean. No more rooting around in the dirt. And we quit putting honey on their pacifiers. In short, they are less exposed to the world from the get-go. Keeping it on topic, H&K USP pistols, for all their awesomeness, have a stupid warning on the ventral aspect of the trigger guard. Example stolen from https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1684881:
230RN
2A was "political" when it was first adopted.
The way I see it, a large part of the problem is so many of the new gun owners have urban roots,with no fathers, uncles, older brothers, neighbors, who can show them the ropes and personally warn them of the dangers.
There's a lot involved beyond "Don't point the gun anywhere you can't fix the hole."
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When my children were very young, they would do something not very smart, come to me crying, and while I comforted them I would say "Well, that wasn't very smart". My wife always got upset with me over that, but I got the last word when my children got a few years older and, whenever they screwed up, would ruefully rub their injuries and say "Yeah, that wasn't very smart." Personal responsibility...
I am not sure that the warning labels are the issue so much as the culture that insists upon - or even tolerates - the warning labels.
I get why we have the warning labels. It's a liability thing that corporate legal teams tell them they need to be on there. Reading the manual is the least done thing with ANYTHING! Excuse the rant but it has to be said. I work in the automotive industry as a used vehicle technician for one of the US big 3 automakers. You will not believe how many vehicles in just the last month alone I've done my inspections on where the owner's manual for the vehicle is still in its cellophane wrapper. RTFM is the acronym we use (Read The Freakin Manual). Because most of your issues you have can more than likely be solved in that booklet. Troubleshooting is pretty much laid out for you. But nope, vehicle is brought into the dealer because of laziness or pure incompetence. I'll bet a good portion of gun owners have never even opened up the manual, or if it was a used firearm, never bothered to look for a PDF manual online.
I couldn't care less where the stuff is etched into the firearm, it's not a show piece for me. It's a tool that'll be used. Not a safe or case queen. I had the money to buy the stupid thing to use it, not just let is collect dust in a glass case. So by God I'm using it. In the heat of the moment and you need to use it for a life or death situation, you're not going to think for one second that the warning labels are going to impede your use of the weapon.
I couldn't care less where the stuff is etched into the firearm, it's not a show piece for me. It's a tool that'll be used. Not a safe or case queen. I had the money to buy the stupid thing to use it, not just let is collect dust in a glass case. So by God I'm using it. In the heat of the moment and you need to use it for a life or death situation, you're not going to think for one second that the warning labels are going to impede your use of the weapon.
hemiram
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I don't remember what it was anymore, but I had an old radio that had a little piece of cardboard over the transformer with a red lightning bolt that said, "The AC line current can KILL YOU!". Maybe true, if you put your fingers onto the 115 volt side of the transformer, but unlikely. However, when that hunk of cardboard caught fire a couple of years later, that could very likely have been a big deal. Luckily, I had the radio out in my garage while working on my car, and a friend and I smelled something burning, and all that came from it was a burned hunk of cardboard and a slightly cooked leather case. The heat from the transformer had set the cardboard on fire. I should have removed it sooner, I guess. That radio worked for like 40 years until I plugged it in one day and the transformer started smoking. In the trash it went.
I don't know about all the companies who put warnings on their guns, but Ruger put the warning label on their gun after two teens stole an original model Blackhawk that was unloaded along with guns from at least one other house as well. They loaded the revolver with stolen ammunition and were carrying it around in a paper bag. They dropped it on the hammer and since it was an old model (pre transfer bar) and had a round under the hammer it went off, injuring one of the teens in the leg which had to be amputated.
The teen sued Ruger and initially won a huge settlement--something close to half a million as I recall. Ruger appealed and won the appeal, but I guess the time/money spent and the whole deal left a bad taste in Ruger's mouth. So warnings were added to the guns.
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F2/964/376/341451/
The teen sued Ruger and initially won a huge settlement--something close to half a million as I recall. Ruger appealed and won the appeal, but I guess the time/money spent and the whole deal left a bad taste in Ruger's mouth. So warnings were added to the guns.
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F2/964/376/341451/
Don_P
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EXACTLY!!
Devonai
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I used to get so excited about buying a new pistol that I'd bring the manual with me to work to read on my down time!
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Ladders have warnings to not use the top step. Who needs that?
Devonai
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People with 13 foot ceilings?
stonebuster
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How about a sticker on the barrel with "do not remove" written for CYA? Unfortunately in today's world when someone gets hurt or sick it's always somebody else's fault.
Asked and answered in the same paragraph.
"How was I supposed to know..." is easily mitigated with a sticker and manuals warning of all the ways some nitwit might inadvertently harm themselves or others.
bibox
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Strikes a chord with me. Recently replaced a flatscreen monitor and the actual setup & use data was 2 pages of graphics, no words at all. The warnings and Do Nots however were at least 5 languages and comprised 90% of the manual "content". Convinced it is an ongoing dumbing down campaign on America.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infantilization
Reloadron
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Something I have learned over the years is you can't save people from themselves. This likely explains the high number of candidates for Darwin Awards. Personally I favor tort reform and figure we need to stop rewarding people for being stupid. This is especially true when it comes to guns.
So sitting here enjoying a hard cider and I read: "Government Warning (1) According to the Surgeon General Woman Should Not Drink Alcoholic Beverages Because Of The Risk Of Birth Defects. (2) Consumption Of Alcoholic Beverages Impairs Your Ability To Drive A Car Or Operate Machinery And May Cause Health Problems.
So now the question begs if I walk into a bar and order an alcoholic beverage should the bar tender or my server be required to explain this to me for each drink I order? It's not just guns but when it comes to personal injury guns are always a great target. I didn't manage to shoot myself because I was stupid, it was clearly the fault of the gun. What we have is a dumbing down of America and a bloated government that just keeps growing. Pretty sad.
Ron
So sitting here enjoying a hard cider and I read: "Government Warning (1) According to the Surgeon General Woman Should Not Drink Alcoholic Beverages Because Of The Risk Of Birth Defects. (2) Consumption Of Alcoholic Beverages Impairs Your Ability To Drive A Car Or Operate Machinery And May Cause Health Problems.
So now the question begs if I walk into a bar and order an alcoholic beverage should the bar tender or my server be required to explain this to me for each drink I order? It's not just guns but when it comes to personal injury guns are always a great target. I didn't manage to shoot myself because I was stupid, it was clearly the fault of the gun. What we have is a dumbing down of America and a bloated government that just keeps growing. Pretty sad.
Ron
DustyGmt
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That's kind of surprising. I bet alot of people hated the mag drop safety. I don't own any guns with that feature and am glad I never accidentally purchased one.
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