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I'm not speaking of anything like a young Pegasus.

Rather, this is about two different Colt revolvers, each designed for use by the crews of airplanes.

Some of us have long known of the first one. It is the Colt M13 Aircrewman, an extremely light .38 Special snub-barrel revolver that was procured by the USAF for use as a survival weapon.

Here's a link, but read on, first.

www.forgottenweapons.com/colt-m13-aircrewman-revolver-so-light-it-was-unsafe/

Its light weight was achieved in part through the use of an aluminum cylinder. The cylinder was not strong enough for regular .38 ammunition, and the Air Force issued a special reduced power round for it.

The fact that a standard round would also fit the gun created a danger, and the Air Force decided to destroy all examples. Some escaped the torch, however, and those few are very valuable collectors' items. And of course , counterfeits appeared.

I have sometimes wondered why such an extreme weight reduction would be needed for carry in a six-engine SAC B-47 bomber that was capable of carrying a big early-generation atomic bomb for long distances.

The fellow in the above link suggests that if may have been to reduce the weight of the airman's equipment for safety, in the event that the crewman had to use the ejection seat. That makes sense.

Here's another, a rare, special revolver that never went into production. Read on, and come back to this link.

www.forgottenweapons.com/colts-special-revolver-for-airline-pilots/

It arose from a request from Eastern Airlines, who were being plagued by high jackings.

They wanted a gun for the air crew that could be fired at a high jacker without penetrating through his body and injuring other passengers.

It was to fire a low powered round containing a projectile made of frangible plaster of paris that would have very limited penetration.

The ammunition came in a pre-loaded, non-reloadable, removable, single-use six-shot plastic cylinder that was sealed to protect the plaster bullets from humidity.

I had never heard of it.

The concept was never put into operation.

There you have it.
 
tark
Fascinating!!! I knew about the Aircrewman but I had not known about the pilot's gun.

Same here! Plaster of Paris bullets and plastic cylinders to hold them? What a strange combination!

I wonder how effective those bullets would be if they were used on a hijacker wearing a heavy coat or a leather jacket?
 
I'm not speaking of anything like a young Pegasus.

Rather, this is about two different Colt revolvers, each designed for use by the crews of airplanes.

Some of us have long known of the first one. It is the Colt M13 Aircrewman, an extremely light .38 Special snub-barrel revolver that was procured by the USAF for use as a survival weapon.

Here's a link, but read on, first.

www.forgottenweapons.com/colt-m13-aircrewman-revolver-so-light-it-was-unsafe/

Its light weight was achieved in part through the use of an aluminum cylinder. The cylinder was not strong enough for regular .38 ammunition, and the Air Force issued a special reduced power round for it.

The fact that a standard round would also fit the gun created a danger, and the Air Force decided to destroy all examples. Some escaped the torch, however, and those few are very valuable collectors' items. And of course , counterfeits appeared.

I have sometimes wondered why such an extreme weight reduction would be needed for carry in a six-engine SAC B-47 bomber that was capable of carrying a big early-generation atomic bomb for long distances.

The fellow in the above link suggests that if may have been to reduce the weight of the airman's equipment for safety, in the event that the crewman had to use the ejection seat. That makes sense.

Here's another, a rare, special revolver that never went into production. Read on, and come back to this link.

www.forgottenweapons.com/colts-special-revolver-for-airline-pilots/

It arose from a request from Eastern Airlines, who were being plagued by high jackings.

They wanted a gun for the air crew that could be fired at a high jacker without penetrating through his body and injuring other passengers.

It was to fire a low powered round containing a projectile made of frangible plaster of paris that would have very limited penetration.

The ammunition came in a pre-loaded, non-reloadable, removable, single-use six-shot plastic cylinder that was sealed to protect the plaster bullets from humidity.

I had never heard of it.

The concept was never put into operation.

There you have it.
I still have about a dozen boxes of M41 .38Spl ammo. They will be the last .38Spl ammo I use when everything else is gone and supplies are long dried up.
 
I have read about the gimmick Sky Marshal gun.
Frankly, I want my Sky Marshal's bullets to have plenty of penetration and for him to be cold blooded enough to shoot through passenger or crew to get a hijacker if that is his only opportunity. If that passenger is me, well, tough.
 
Todd

I read somewhere that the USAF contracted with both Colt and S&W to make a lightweight .38 Special revolver, primarily for use by pilots for survival if they were shot down. Don't know if S&W ever produced their version of this gun but Colt made up slightly less than 1200 of them for the USAF. The gun itself was based on the Colt Cobra which already made use of an aluminum frame. When they discovered that the aluminum cylinder wouldn't hold up to the .38 Special load the USAF was using, they were all sent back to the factory where they were destroyed. Some "escaped" the scrap heap making it one of the rarest of Colt revolvers out there.
 
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Todd

I read somewhere that the USAF contracted with both Colt and S&W to make a lightweight .38 Special revolver, primarily for use by pilots for survival if they were shot down. Don't know if S&W ever produced their version of this gun but Colt made up slightly less than 1200 of them for the USAF. The gun itself was based on the Colt Cobra which already made use of an aluminum frame. When they discovered that the cylinder wouldn't hold up to the .38 Special load the USAF was using, they were all sent back to the factory where they were destroyed. Some "escaped" the scrap heap making it one of the rarest of Colt revolvers out there.
I used to note back in the 80's-early 90's that about twice a year at a gunshow, someone would have an *authentic* Aircrew S&W. Of course, the gossip would immediately begin as to whether or not it was an actual AC S&W. I never took much note as the prices were always around the value or 6-8 otherwise premium pistols that I was more interested in.

As I noted above - I don't recall ever hearing about aluminum cylinders back then. So then, this thread got me to wondering; did fellas bother faking the alloy cylinders on the questionable guns? Because clearly, NO ONE is going to mistake alloy for steel if they know the score on these.

An interesting relatively contemporary RIA listing: https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/68/3488/smith-wesson-aircrewman-revolver-38-sw-special

Todd.
 
Todd

Very interesting! Never heard of the S&W "Baby Aircrewman" until now! I guess I just figured that S&W would have made their version of the Aircrewman revolver based on their Model 12. Again like Colt, the Model 12 already came with a 2" barrel and an aluminum frame.

I suppose some crafty machinist could make an aluminum cylinder for a Model 12, but I would think it would be a very expensive proposition. They would also have to know about all of the markings, the finish, serial number range, and the grips to be able to duplicate all this. Might get away with it trying to pass it off at a local gun show but I doubt they would be able to realize the kind of money that an authentic S&W Aircrewman would bring at an established auction house.
 
Todd

Very interesting! Never heard of the S&W "Baby Aircrewman" until now! I guess I just figured that S&W would have made their version of the Aircrewman revolver based on their Model 12. Again like Colt, the Model 12 already came with a 2" barrel and an aluminum frame.

I suppose some crafty machinist could make an aluminum cylinder for a Model 12, but I would think it would be a very expensive proposition. They would also have to know about all of the markings, the finish, serial number range, and the grips to be able to duplicate all this. Might get away with it trying to pass it off at a local gun show but I doubt they would be able to realize the kind of money that an authentic S&W Aircrewman would bring at an established auction house.
Some years back, I saw a vintage holster for one of these at the Antique Arms Vegas show sold for a couple thousand on its own.

Todd.
 
Todd
Some years back, I saw a vintage holster for one of these at the Antique Arms Vegas show sold for a couple thousand on its own.

Wow that's a lot of bucks for just a holster but then again they may be just as rare as the revolvers themselves!
 
I'd just love to have a pair of the Air Force grips, then again maybe I'm confused wasn't there a SAC grip with the AF shield?

Maybe it was a Smith & Wesson?
 
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