Walther CCP: To Buy or Not Buy???

A relative owns a ccp. That one has/had feeding issues with a variety of ammo types.

It’s been a couple years since I’ve seen it or shot it. No clue if it got sorted out but it did not inspire confidence. I remember that

Not one of Walther's better efforts and made in the Umarex air gun factory instead of the ULM factory where the premium Walthers are made. I would not trust my life to one myself. Check Walther CCP sub forum for more users experiences. IMHO the PPS is a much better pistol but you probably won't find a new one at that price point these days.

For that price buy it and run it for several hundred rounds...once it's fully vetted..then decide if it's worthy as a carry gun.

It’s a decent price. For a 9mm, there are better choices. If you were considering the 380 CCP, then it is a good competitor in the 380 market.

I’ve got the Gen1 CCP. It’s been 100% reliable. However, the take-down is a pain and requires a tool. Walther changed this in the Gen2 variant. As such, I only recommend buying a CCP if it is a Gen2. It is super ergonomic. However, in my opinion, the design is irrelevant as it was larger than other single stacks when it was released and is now competing with smaller 1.5 stacks (P365, Hellcat, Shield Plus, etc) that hold more rounds. $399 is average. I see them pop up routinely for $350 on online forums for though.

Look at the Shield EZ. Like the CCP, the Shield EZ is available in both .380 and 9mm, so you have a direct comparison.

I looked carefully at the CCP and was disappointed by the limited availability of after-market sights. Walther's plastic adjustable sights did not hold up as well as I would have liked over time on my P99.

Either Gen 1 or Gen 2 Walther PPS put the CCP to shame. The PPS guns are better for pocket carry than a CCP. TheCCP is made by Umarex and is not up to the quality of Walther made pistols. I owned a PPS M2 for several years, and it ran perfectly. I followed the Walther Forum during that time. The CCP was loved by some and derided by some, but it appeared to me that the negative reports outweighed the positive.

The CCP trigger is awful. So you will spend more money to make that better. Why not just buy better to start with. I switched to Ruger Secrurity 9 Compact because I could get 15 round magazines for it in addition to the two ten round mags that come with it. It is a great value coming in at under $375 new. For deep concealment I have Ruger LCPs and for pocket I have an LCP Ii. No issues with the Rugers. There are much better options than any of the CCP models.

sigarms228 said:

Not one of Walther's better efforts and made in the Umarex air gun factory instead of the ULM factory where the premium Walthers are made. I would not trust my life to one myself. Check Walther CCP sub forum for more users experiences. IMHO the PPS is a much better pistol but you probably won't find a new one at that price point these days.

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I’ve always wonder why they were so inexpensive, didn’t realize it was built in a BB gun factory, but being from a manufacturing QC and process background, I would trust it it Walther put’s there name in it.

I actually like the story behind it… if I ever see one for dirt cheap (new) I’ll buy it.

I considered buying a CCP (I ultimately didn't) because my old hands aren't very strong and the slide is very easy to rack, which is the result of the soft recoil spring allowed by the gas delayed blowback system. The downside of that system is that according to reviewers the trigger gets very hot after firing a few mags, a problem exhibited by its operating-system ancestor, the H&K P7. As I recall, in later iterations of the P7 H&K built in a heat shield of some sort to deal with this problem, but Walther didn't do so on the CCP apparently.

Rojack said:

I considered buying a CCP (I ultimately didn't) because my old hands aren't very strong and the slide is very easy to rack, which is the result of the soft recoil spring allowed by the gas delayed blowback system. The downside of that system is that according to reviewers the trigger gets very hot after firing a few mags, a problem exhibited by its operating-system ancestor, the H&K P7. As I recall, in later iterations of the P7 H&K built in a heat shield of some sort to deal with this problem, but Walther didn't do so on the CCP apparently.

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I suspect the P7's metal frame transfers heat from the gas system more efficiently than the CCP's polymer frame. Nevertheless, I never experienced excessive heat from my P7, which did not have the plastic heat shield. The P7 did become noticeably warmer after shooting 50-100 rounds rapid-fire, but doing that or more was not a concern for potential real-life use.

Redcoat3340 said:

LGS has CCP in the case for $399.

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You can buy a better gun made by Taurus or Ruger for the money.

Redcoat3340 said:

I've got/had a bunch of Wathers both traditional and plastic but now down to 2 P1s, a P4 and a P5.

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So you're telling me you had all those real Walthers and nothing feels off about CCP to you?

Redcoat3340 said:

Many thanks to all who contributed. It's hard to ignore the collected wisdom found here, I've never had bad advice on this board. I'm going back to the LGS and take a much closer look at the PPS there. About $80 more but it ain't all about the money and there are just too many issues with the CCP to be sanguine about buying it.

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the PPS is an exceptionally good gun. Reliable, accurate, very good trigger, and for only $80 more a much better buy.

The PPS M2 is a fantastic firearm. As reliable as the sunrise and the lowest felt recoil of all the small 9mm. also an excellent trigger and extremely accurate. I've shot all the small wonder 9's and my PPS is by far the best of the bunch.

Not one of Walther's better efforts and made in the Umarex air gun factory instead of the ULM factory where the premium Walthers are made. I would not trust my life to one myself.

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This. ^

As others have mentioned, the PPS is a much better pistol (as are all of the Ulm-made Walthers).

The CCP’s claim to fame is the ease of racking the slide (and its somewhat unique HK P7-like gas-delayed blowback system), but if you need a pistol with an easy-to-rack slide, a S&W Shield EZ is a much better option.

Redcoat3340: I know basically zero about the CCP.

Have you excluded the P99 AS, due to slightly longer length (7.1" vs. 6.5") etc, or price? Despite being a double-stack gun, it is easy to conceal with my Remora IWB - the grip isn't really all that long.

If decocked into DA for the first shot, this pull is smooth, less stacking than with an HK USP in DA.
Superb reliability.

CCP … Chinese Commie Party???? lol

I’m definitely buying one and putting a china sticker on it.

I bought my wife the M2 version with stainless slide a while ago. The frame was Cerakoted robin egg blue (close to Tiffany blue) as she is keen on that color. It does fit her hand and she shoots it okay, but she's not in love with it.

My 2 cents on it is that it's different in a few ways. For one, it is gas operated. This makes it easier to rack the slide (my wife can), but this also means after a lengthy shooting session, you'll notice the area directly above the trigger heats up significantly.

Take down is easy enough, again different, but simple. But reassembly is higher on the PITA scale as you must ensure the gas "piston" that's on a pivot attached to the slide is positioned properly as to allow it to enter the gas tube. Not a deal breaker, but an additional hassle that's not something you have to worry about with more traditional designs. I have also read reports of a plastic plunger attached to the striker spring that can easily get lost or broken, I forget which. I also forget if this is only a concern with the M1 version or with both M1 and M2.

We've come to the conclusion that my wife will not use this pistol for CCW. We recently purchased a S&W M&P Shield EZ in .380acp. She indeed likes this pistol a bit more. In retrospect, we should have opted for the same pistol in 9mm as I understand the slide is still ridiculously easy to rack, a smidgen more than the .380acp. 9mm is far easier to source currently and there is a significant increase in performance. I do have a few hundred rounds of Underwood 68gr +P Xtreme Defenders in .380acp that I believe we'll use for now. We may trade up to the 9mm version in the future, though she wants me to send it out to be cerakoted (Mad Dragon Custom Coats - Angry Pink Dragon).

There's nothing wrong with the CCP if that's what you're wanting, but if you are looking for a pistol that is considered to be easy to operate, I would recommend you also put the M&P EZ line on your radar.

CCP M2: An ergonomic pistol with interesting characteristics


S&W M&P Shield EZ in .380acp: heavy on "safety features" that my wife prefers. The slide is ridiculously easy to operate.

I have had a 9mm Beretta APX Centurion for two years and prefer it over my S&W Shield 2.0 of the same caliber. Fantastic trigger and the extra back straps can make a big difference for some, though I tried them all and prefer the factory installed medium.

My two cents: I purchased a CCP several years ago mainly because of it’s ergonomics, how it fit in my hand in other words. It is one of the most comfortable pistols to shoot that I own. I have had it get fairly warm but not hot. It has never malfunctioned with any ammo including my rather mild lead bullet handloads. It requires a tool to take it down or a small screwdriver if you have misplaced the tool. It really isn’t that difficult. Look up some YouTube videos to see just how easily some can do it.

The trigger certainly isn’ the greatest but isn’t the worst I have ever encountered. Despite the less than stellar trigger I find it to be very accurate. It resides at the head of my bed in case the boogie man comes visiting.

I really wanted that gun to hit big. I love my PSP squeeze cocker and the action is reminiscent.
It just had issues at first and the disassembly was a pain. It just never took off well

If you want a small duty grade carry weapon, get a PPQ M2 with the 3.5 inch barrel. The trigger is one of the 3 best striker fired triggers. I buy trigger first, everything else next for defense weapons, I won't alter any internals on a defense gun.

XS Combat sights make it a super fast close range tool.

peeplwtchr said:

If you want a small duty grade carry weapon, get a PPQ M2 with the 3.5 inch barrel. The trigger is one of the 3 best striker fired triggers. I buy trigger first, everything else next for defense weapons, I won't alter any internals on a defense gun.

XS Combat sights make it a super fast close range tool.

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cool sights! looks very natural

Not with those sights.