sfl_gunner
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Does anybody here shoot PRS? I know almost nothing but I'm looking into it. Particularly using a gas gun.
Does anybody here shoot PRS?
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What info are you looking for?
I shoot bolt gun, gas gun and pee-wee (22 LR) PRS stuff.
I shoot bolt gun, gas gun and pee-wee (22 LR) PRS stuff.
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The basics of getting started using gas guns. I honestly don't know much about the sport in general. I'm a high power rifle guy just looking for some variety.
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I gave it a try once in 2014 with a suppressed gas gun, 18.5" barrel .308. It was fun, but I was WOEFULLY unprepared. The adjustable gas block I used self-adjusted at the end of the first day and I was unable to shoot the second day. That problem has been fixed, but the second day would have been really bad for me if I could have shot because I was not practiced at all in range estimation using my reticle, so I would have completely blown a stage. I will say that it was FUN and my learning curve was almost straight up and down. If I were to do it again, I'd have a better caliber rifle more suited to the game, practiced much more with range estimation using the reticle and know from memory better the drops at distances. I'd also have a better rear supporting bag. Give it a try and go in knowing you won't win, but with an attitude of learning and it will be worth it. I just wanted to test my equipment and knowledge and I left knowing A LOT more than when I began. Hope this helps...
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The large frame gas guns like 308s recoil a bunch are would not be my first choice.
A reliable 6 Grendel or 6.5 Grendel would be my choice if I was going to use a gasser. If not one of those, a 22-24 inch 223 shooting 77s at the speed of heat works. The TMK has a bit higher BC as long as your barrel likes them.
FFP scopes help quite a bit, but they can be expensive.
A solid tripod is helpful for shooting and spotting.
Have a rock solid zero and know exactly where it hits from 25 yards to 1,200 yards.
Coming from HP you already have a leg up on wind reading.
A reliable 6 Grendel or 6.5 Grendel would be my choice if I was going to use a gasser. If not one of those, a 22-24 inch 223 shooting 77s at the speed of heat works. The TMK has a bit higher BC as long as your barrel likes them.
FFP scopes help quite a bit, but they can be expensive.
A solid tripod is helpful for shooting and spotting.
Have a rock solid zero and know exactly where it hits from 25 yards to 1,200 yards.
Coming from HP you already have a leg up on wind reading.
It’s been 3 years since I shot a match but I shot a bit over 50 matches from the first one up to 3 years ago and I got my distinguished badge around 2009. The wind experience was huge. And the trigger pulling because you’re used to 4.5lb trigger and can drop to a few oz if you want where people who start with light triggers tend to have no fundamentals.
but the prob I had was being very very slow. I had to work on speed a lot.
I don’t know about competing with a gas gun. Never did it.
my advice to everyone is to go Volunteer to RO a match near you. That’s a no stress way to meet folks see how it’s organized and match flow so you can be prepared plus you get to watch everyone shoot of all the props without worrying about getting ready to do it yourself. You can see what works and what doesn’t. And it’s better than any gun show. You’ll see all the gear and everyone will let you look through their scopes and tell you what they like and don’t like about their gear before you buy anything.
but the prob I had was being very very slow. I had to work on speed a lot.
I don’t know about competing with a gas gun. Never did it.
my advice to everyone is to go Volunteer to RO a match near you. That’s a no stress way to meet folks see how it’s organized and match flow so you can be prepared plus you get to watch everyone shoot of all the props without worrying about getting ready to do it yourself. You can see what works and what doesn’t. And it’s better than any gun show. You’ll see all the gear and everyone will let you look through their scopes and tell you what they like and don’t like about their gear before you buy anything.
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sfl_gunner
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Thanks. I'm looking at the matches in Volusia county Florida. Sometime towards the end of the year.
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I only tried PRS22 using a bolt gun.
I found that if I practiced all stages at least twice before the match I did pretty well, concentrating on a building a good solid position for the non typical positions and barriers, and memorizing the rather contrived and complicated courses of fire I did pretty well. (they published all individual stages of every monthly match before hand on the PRS22 websight)
But... if I went to the match cold I found I could not memorize what order and distance the targets were to be shot at, and had no time to figure out a solid position given the different barriers and limitations given and did extraordinary poorly.
I also found a ranging reticle crucial, there is just not enough time to dial windage, elevation, and parallax turrets back and forth during the stage.
If you shot everything bipod prone, with no time constraints, and a written list of the target order, sizes, arc subtensions, and ranges with adequate wind flags I believe shooting 98% would not be unreasonable.
The difficulty comes in the typical stage senarios where you have to shoot weak side while standing on one leg with the rifle having to be no more than 12 inches off the ground, all while having to shoot 3 different sized targets at 3 different distances in the correct nonsensical order, all in 90 seconds that make it difficult.
It is kind of like playing Twister with a rifle while memorizing all forms of six different irregular Latin verb conjugations, with a time constraint that makes it impossible to complete the first time you try.
Coming from High Power I found that concentrating on building a stable shooting position given the different limitations and barriers given every stage very difficult and time consuming and got the biggest returns by figuring them out beforehand, compared to using the same 3 position and known distances every time in like in High Power.
I had ~$2k(+) wrapped up in my 22lr rifle/scope/bases/rings/bipod combo using $.35-40 per round ammo... That $2k wouldn't have even bought 1/2 of many competitor's scopes. Its not a cheap sport. I would think center fire would be even less so.
I found that if I practiced all stages at least twice before the match I did pretty well, concentrating on a building a good solid position for the non typical positions and barriers, and memorizing the rather contrived and complicated courses of fire I did pretty well. (they published all individual stages of every monthly match before hand on the PRS22 websight)
But... if I went to the match cold I found I could not memorize what order and distance the targets were to be shot at, and had no time to figure out a solid position given the different barriers and limitations given and did extraordinary poorly.
I also found a ranging reticle crucial, there is just not enough time to dial windage, elevation, and parallax turrets back and forth during the stage.
If you shot everything bipod prone, with no time constraints, and a written list of the target order, sizes, arc subtensions, and ranges with adequate wind flags I believe shooting 98% would not be unreasonable.
The difficulty comes in the typical stage senarios where you have to shoot weak side while standing on one leg with the rifle having to be no more than 12 inches off the ground, all while having to shoot 3 different sized targets at 3 different distances in the correct nonsensical order, all in 90 seconds that make it difficult.
It is kind of like playing Twister with a rifle while memorizing all forms of six different irregular Latin verb conjugations, with a time constraint that makes it impossible to complete the first time you try.
Coming from High Power I found that concentrating on building a stable shooting position given the different limitations and barriers given every stage very difficult and time consuming and got the biggest returns by figuring them out beforehand, compared to using the same 3 position and known distances every time in like in High Power.
I had ~$2k(+) wrapped up in my 22lr rifle/scope/bases/rings/bipod combo using $.35-40 per round ammo... That $2k wouldn't have even bought 1/2 of many competitor's scopes. Its not a cheap sport. I would think center fire would be even less so.
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GasGun is a rough life in PRS. Gotta remember - anything which is an advantage in a sport is either 1) the standard for “open” or “unlimited,” or 2) prohibited. Anything which is a DISADVANTAGE in a shooting sport gets its own handicapped class... GasGuns have their own class....
Unlike the former Gas Gun genre in PRS which was a separate series of shorter range, more dynamic matches, the current embodiment of PRS Gas Gun class is simply fired on the same match and course of fire as everyone else - which doesn’t favor gas guns. at. all. The shooter does have to be mindful of announcing “Safe” when moving.
But if it’s what you have, or what you want to shoot, it’s what you have or want to shoot. I have two gas guns built with PRS shooting in mind, a 243LBC (6 Grendel) AR-15 and a 6 creed LFAR. Both 24” semi-bull barrels - they’re both underweight for what I really want, but they’re fun for club matches with less on the line.
First focal plane scope, open dot center reticle, .2mil windage marks, Christmas tree, topping out 20-27x. Armageddon Gear Schmedium barricade bag. Mlok handguard with an Area419 Arcalock rail, Harris bipod on an Area419 arca adapter and hanger. No wind flags in PRS; kestrel meter + spotting binos on a stable tripod.
Most guys dial elevation for every shot/target unless otherwise prohibited by the stage rule. Most guys do not dial wind, just hold across the horizontal stadia. Most guys don’t adjust parallax on the clock - the targets are generous.
Unlike the former Gas Gun genre in PRS which was a separate series of shorter range, more dynamic matches, the current embodiment of PRS Gas Gun class is simply fired on the same match and course of fire as everyone else - which doesn’t favor gas guns. at. all. The shooter does have to be mindful of announcing “Safe” when moving.
But if it’s what you have, or what you want to shoot, it’s what you have or want to shoot. I have two gas guns built with PRS shooting in mind, a 243LBC (6 Grendel) AR-15 and a 6 creed LFAR. Both 24” semi-bull barrels - they’re both underweight for what I really want, but they’re fun for club matches with less on the line.
First focal plane scope, open dot center reticle, .2mil windage marks, Christmas tree, topping out 20-27x. Armageddon Gear Schmedium barricade bag. Mlok handguard with an Area419 Arcalock rail, Harris bipod on an Area419 arca adapter and hanger. No wind flags in PRS; kestrel meter + spotting binos on a stable tripod.
Most guys dial elevation for every shot/target unless otherwise prohibited by the stage rule. Most guys do not dial wind, just hold across the horizontal stadia. Most guys don’t adjust parallax on the clock - the targets are generous.
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