Train + Protect 38 Special

I don’t know, but thanks for posting this. I wasn’t aware of this ammo. I would like to try that out…if / when I can find some.

For the low low price of $2.50 per round for lead 38 hollow points in this fine new market of ours...

jeff-10 said:

For the low low price of $2.50 per round for lead 38 hollow points in this fine new market of ours...

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Holy Cow! Well, perhaps maybe someday…

I know that Remington 38spl +P 158gr LSWCHP opens up from a snubbie.. but better from a 4 inch barrel

I'd love to see the velocity numbers on those. If it's real world +P, then I'd be interested. FBI Loads off the shelf are a little hard to come across.

The price is ridiculous, but in a world of $40/box 9mm Blazers, it is what it is.

I don't see anything saying it is +P ammunition. Can't hardly believe the prices anymore. I'd ask what this world is coming to...but I fear I know.

Dave

Those look like the old Nyclad bullets introduced by Smith & Wesson a few years back. Still have a few and did carry that ammunition when I carried a small bore revolver.

Bob Wright

According to MidwayUSA, it has a velocity of 830 fps (242 fpe). Doesn't seem like +P to me but I don't know for sure. It seems to be available at Sportsman's Warehouse but it's listed as In-Store Only and a limit of 2 boxes but it's 68¢ a round.
https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting...al-158gr-vhp-handgun-ammo-50-rounds/p/1689660

Anyone know of other places to buy this ammo?

They look like mine!

wcwhitey said:

They look like mine!

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I looked online for your ammo but couldn’t find a website. Do you sell to the public?

No these are my reloads. Thanks for the compliment. I put my reloads in nice boxes to keep away any range that does no like reloads. The round on the left is Speer 158 SWC-HP Swagged soft lead with a by the book standard pressure 4.7 grains of Unique. Reminded me exactly of what’s in those over priced packages.

wcwhitey said:

No these are my reloads. Thanks for the compliment. I put my reloads in nice boxes to keep away any range that does no like reloads.

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Now that’s cool! Great idea.
I was a bit excited to find a new ammo source there for a little while.

I believe this Ammo is a marketing thing more than anything.

They are saying that you just buy the same Ammo for the range and HD/SD. That way you don’t have to stock different Ammo.

It makes sense and things more simple IF it is priced at range Ammo prices and not at a premium; during normal times, current climate notwithstanding.

There's also the advantage of training with the same ammo that you carry; same POI, same recoil etc.

As you rightly point out though, cost is the key, otherwise there would be no such thing as 'range ammo'.

I'd be interested to see what the price of this stuff would typically be in a non-shortage market, and of course how it performs in ballistic gel.

Blue Brick said:

Anything new with this Or just a relabel of 38G?


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Looks like exactly what I put together on Sunday: 158gr. swaged LSWC-HP (Speer, in my case) over 4.2gr. of Unique for ~750fps out of a 4" Model 15-3. Great practice round I have no doubts would work at close range as protection from vermin, varmint or varlet.

wcwhitey said:

No these are my reloads. Thanks for the compliment. I put my reloads in nice boxes to keep away any range that does no like reloads. The round on the left is Speer 158 SWC-HP Swagged soft lead with a by the book standard pressure 4.7 grains of Unique. Reminded me exactly of what’s in those over priced packages.

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I use 4.2 gr. of Unique for a nice, tame 750fps load but otherwise... yup!

Factory ammunition that can be used both for practice AND defense??? And for only a few dollars per round?!? Revolutionary!

GeoDudeFlorida said:

Looks like exactly what I put together on Sunday: 158gr. swaged LSWC-HP (Speer, in my case) over 4.2gr. of Unique for ~750fps out of a 4" Model 15-3. Great practice round I have no doubts would work at close range as protection from vermin, varmint or varlet.

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Hows the accuracy, been thinking about lowering some of my loads just for plinking purposes to conserve existing supplies. I have plenty of factory duplication loads on my shelf.

wcwhitey said:

Hows the accuracy, been thinking about lowering some of my loads just for plinking purposes to conserve existing supplies. I have plenty of factory duplication loads on my shelf.

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Pretty good. Better than I can shoot, no doubt.

It reminds me of the 160 grain hard cast I used to mold and size. As an experiment my brother drilled a hole in the front center. The hole was the size of a small rifle primer. One for the bottom of the hole turned anvil up, a short piece of hard steel wire put in the center with a little bullseye to hold it, then another primer anvil down making it flush with the top of the bullet and sealed with fingernail polish. Making it an explosive type projectile.
This was many years ago so WARNING , this may now be an illegal thing to do. Check regulations before attempting to duplicate.

You can buy this directly from Federal's webpage at 39.95 for a box of 50.

reloaded those for a couple of years now, decent expansion.
Found several boxes prepandemic times .

Interesting in that I always liked 38/.357 semi wadcutters when I owned a Dan Wesson. I'd like to see some gel tests with these with added hollow points.

DTL said:

Interesting in that I always liked 38/.357 semi wadcutters when I owned a Dan Wesson. I'd like to see some gel tests with these with added hollow points.

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Loads of Bacon does quite a few lead hollow point videos and gel tests. This is his channel.