Gun Manufacturers, if any of you are reading this......

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Now that wasn’t nice. Uncle just said that you should do what others in the past have done. Many have jumped into the gun manufacturing business over the years. Some just wanted a slice of the pie, but others wanted to bring to the market, what they thought the market needed. Some did good, but many failed. And the ones that failed, not all had bad ideas. Some just weren’t good at running a company, or marketing.

Was the Sig's CEO guy who almost kill Kimber long life reputation isn't he.
 
This is more of a rant on the gun manufacturers and they're not going to do any of these things, but the lack of support by the industry for smaller than .380 centerfire calibers in the micro pistols is incredulous. Sure, they'll gladly do a .22 cuz everybody loves how cheap that ammo is, but ask for .25, .32 ACP, .32 NAA and suddenly the answer is "no demand."

Um... who was demanding a .22 LCP? Everyone knows a small .22 autoloader is a problem child and not good for self defense. I'm not a fan of .25, but if people want it, make it! I think .32 is the best choice for a small caliber mousegun and whether it's .32 ACP or NAA it fits perfect in the .380 magazines.
 
I think the demand for .32 is much greater than most people and manufacturers believe. For instance, the VZ-61s in .32 are consistently out of stock and, when in stock, seem to sell out faster than their 9x18, .380, and .22 counterparts. Additionally, when importers received the Beretta 81s in the summer/fall of 2019, they sold like hot cakes.

I suspect that the demand is high because few manufacturers currently make .32 pistols. I think if one can make a solid .32 for under $400, the first major manufacturer to do so would score a lot of customers.

Also, people lament about how the cost of .32 is more than 9mm. While true, I do not believe it is due to the materials being more expensive as .32 uses less brass, less bullet, less powder, the same primer, and is lighter and smaller (cheaper shipping/storage). I suspect it is more expensive because there are less guns chambered in it so the cost savings associated with bulk manufacturing of ammo is not as realized with .32 as with 9mm. It is sort of a self licking ice cream cone in the sense that if there were more .32 guns, there would be a greater demand for .32 ammo which would likely result in manufacturers increasing their .32 ammo production, eventually saturating the market with .32 ammo, reducing the price of .32 and making it more appealing for one to buy a .32 pistol and thereby, continuing the cycle and driving cost lower.

But what do I know?

And I agree with one of the other members regarding the .22 LCP. I thought it was a silly idea. For me .22 is great as a target gun, a plinker, or small game round. I do not find it suitable for self defense which (combine with concealed carry) is the primary reason for the LCP. To me, if I wanted a .22 plinker, I’d get something like an M&P22 or Taurus TX22. If I wanted a target gun, I’d get a Ruger MKIV. If I wanted a super small concealed carry gun, I’d get a .25 or .32 or .380 or other centerfire. Im not faulting anyone who bought a .22 LCP, but it just doesn’t appeal to me personally. However, I think it illustrates how there are demands for guns and variants and calibers outside of what the Internet says.
 
I think the demand for .32 is much greater than most people and manufacturers believe. For instance, the VZ-61s in .32 are consistently out of stock and, when in stock, seem to sell out faster than their 9x18, .380, and .22 counterparts. Additionally, when importers received the Beretta 81s in the summer/fall of 2019, they sold like hot cakes.

I suspect that the demand is high because few manufacturers currently make .32 pistols. I think if one can make a solid .32 for under $400, the first major manufacturer to do so would score a lot of customers.

Also, people lament about how the cost of .32 is more than 9mm. While true, I do not believe it is due to the materials being more expensive as .32 uses less brass, less bullet, less powder, the same primer, and is lighter and smaller (cheaper shipping/storage). I suspect it is more expensive because there are less guns chambered in it so the cost savings associated with bulk manufacturing of ammo is not as realized with .32 as with 9mm. It is sort of a self licking ice cream cone in the sense that if there were more .32 guns, there would be a greater demand for .32 ammo which would likely result in manufacturers increasing their .32 ammo production, eventually saturating the market with .32 ammo, reducing the price of .32 and making it more appealing for one to buy a .32 pistol and thereby, continuing the cycle and driving cost lower.

But what do I know?

And I agree with one of the other members regarding the .22 LCP. I thought it was a silly idea. For me .22 is great as a target gun, a plinker, or small game round. I do not find it suitable for self defense which (combine with concealed carry) is the primary reason for the LCP. To me, if I wanted a .22 plinker, I’d get something like an M&P22 or Taurus TX22. If I wanted a target gun, I’d get a Ruger MKIV. If I wanted a super small concealed carry gun, I’d get a .25 or .32 or .380 or other centerfire. Im not faulting anyone who bought a .22 LCP, but it just doesn’t appeal to me personally. However, I think it illustrates how there are demands for guns and variants and calibers outside of what the Internet says.
All this talk of .32's reminds me I have one or two.
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Colt 1903

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CZ-70 - another reminder .32ACP/7.65mm Browning used to be considered a good officer's/flyer's pistol.

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FEG P-37, post-invasion production for German forces.

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HSc - and I also have a .380ACP and the HK Mod.4 with both .22LR and .380ACP kits. I don't have the .25 or .32 kits... yet.
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The first hi-capacity civilian pocket pistol, the "Mighty" Savage 1907.
 
We need more 41 mag options. In revolvers, single shot rifles, lever actions and decently priced factory ammo would be nice.

Just non-break-action single-shot rifles. I have been haunting Gunbroker looking for a rolling block .22lr for for a while. So far, no luck.

Hey, here is another completely non-marketable idea that would be great. I bet it would even work with lever-actions. 90% complete!

This is the idea, much of the cost of certain rifles, rolling block and lever actions, is said to come in the "fitting the parts" stage. So, sell it to me unfitted, just all of the parts and a barreled receiver. Then I will stone the parts to fit. I, and probably at least a half dozen others, would go for it.
 
Do I REALLY think gun manufacturers watch threads like this, I doubt it!

"Hey, a bunch of people are saying they'd really like to have a real concealed carry pistol, maybe single stack and streamlined so it doesn't have levers and doodads snagging their clothing."

"That's just stupid. We've already started tooling up to make a gun that looks kindasorta like an old R51, except it's bigger and uglified, and our consultants say they can get the manufacturing cost down to $24 each if we just dispense with quality control entirely. Marketing says people will be lining up to buy them."
 
Do it like this….
For Glock:
beachten Sie bitte schön!

Im Fall wo Sie diese Verbesserungen akzeptieren wollen—-

In the case where you will accept these improvements —- .

Not perfect German, but they might then notice better .
 
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To Ruger: a break top GP100. Return your semi auto pistol designs back to the SR line. Your semi autos are ugly now. Make vaqueros with the cavalry 7.5 inch barrel.

To colt: lower your prices you washed up has-beens

To H&K: make a civy version of the mp7. Also stop hating the civilian market
 
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