At What Point Will You Be "All In" With Buying Ammo Again?

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With another similar “special” —- but it’s hard to find the info in time.

Really nice guy here told me about a Fathers Day Special at CLT Ammo (I thought : “who”?).
It was $275/1,000 for Tula 7.62x39. The case arrived yesterday. No sales tax to TN——

Plastic bottles on the berm don’t require the higher-quality brands.
 
LeftyRed said:
For cheap steel case bulk 9mm, I know I will never see $90-$100 per 500 case again. Would start buying again when it’s around $150-$160 for a case of 500.
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Never say never. People said very much the type of thing back in 2012-14 when ammo was non existent. Markets don't stay in a vacuum too long. Just look at what happened in 2017- February 2020. Guns and Ammo were everywhere and cheap. Without a major new legal restriction it will come around again.

Archie said:
Without a major - and likely painful - 'adjustment' to the economy, we shall never see $3.99 for a twenty round box of .30-06 Springfield. Not even for surplus (if such still exists).
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That's probably true given there hasn't been 20 cent 30-06 since the 1970s however that's an inflation issue not a supply/demand issue. Even when ammo was on the inexpensive side of a business cycle 50 cents was about as low as things got.for the old 06 in the past 3 decades.

Personally I think things will calm a lot by year end with Remington up and foreign makers getting past covid.
 
My daughter bought me a box of 9mm ammo the other day from lgs. She said the guy told her prices on their next shipment came down so they will be lowering their prices soon. So maybe.
 
At What Point Will You Be "All In" With Buying Ammo Again?

I doubt I will. For decades I have pretty much rolled my own with the exception being when I saw good sale prices. Fortunately I have been well stocked with reloading supplies so this shortage like the ones which preceded it haven't really cramped me at all. I will if I see what I figure to be a good price buy loaded ammunition but with the prices I am seeing today I am not about to run out and buy. Ammunition I doubt will ever return to pre pandemic prices but right now everything is up. Hell a stud grade $3 piece of 2x4 lumber is now pushing $9 and fuel has gone way up and things move using fuel. :)

Ron
 
I can wait a really long time before I need to buy handgun or rimfire ammo. If and when .223/5.56 hit's $0.30/round I'll make a bulk purchase, though if I can get 5lbs of rifle powder (H335 or R15) I can wait on that too.
 
If you shoot 7.62x39, you’re already seeing prices - Including Shipping - at two or three places, near $310 /1,000 rds.

Dramatic reduction vs. four months ago.

The many AR enthusiasts who selected this chambering already benefit .
 
No matter what the price, there will be another election, another gun and ammo panic and another thousand threads on gun forums bemoaning the price or availability of ammunition guns and primers.

If you aren't buying by the case when ammunition is plentiful, you aren't doing it right. ;)

What you consider too expensive today will sure seem like a good deal when there is no ammo to be found.
 
Jimbo80 said:
Barring anti gun legislation I predict ammo will be back to reasonable prices by early next year. There's probably more ammo...
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dogtown tom said:
No matter what the price, there will be another election, another gun and ammo panic and another...
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IMHO one of the ''top three'' if not ''top two'' reasons for AMMO SHORTAGES isn't even discussed yet here within this thread... previous RIOTING, NATION WIDE. Causing new gun purchases, and massive ammo sales

We have the forces that fermented last summers 2020 RIOTS with many for instances of BODILY HARM and HEAVY PROPERTY DAMAGE, those forces / actors are still in place.
Summer 2021 is JUST STARTING, and, next summer leads up to AN ELECTION. Riots late spring 2021 have ALREADY happened, Portland, etc.


Ppl don't want to be told BAD NEWS, just want to be told its OVER
 
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DoubleMag said:
IMHO one of the ''top three'' if not ''top two'' reasons for AMMO SHORTAGES isn't even discussed yet here within this thread... previous RIOTING, NATION WIDE. Causing new gun purchases, and massive ammo sales....
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By the time of the first riot, firearms and ammunition was already OOS at every distributor because of COVID panic.
 
For me, it will be a combination of things. Both price and variety will be my 'signals.'
When I can go to the store and get 4 or 5 different kinds of a given ammo.
Now, that's different brands rather than mere different loadings.
I ant to be able to go to the store and go get 4-5 kinds of defensive ammo in 20 round boxes. And, preferably, at less than a dollar apiece (e.g. HXT, trooper, various kinds of JHP, not superextradeath+p++p+ rounds at $6 per each).
 
Maybe Never.
I reload now and cant get components so I cleaned the weapons and put them away. Been so long since I shot I've gotten out of the habit and don't really care anymore.
 
Those riots in Portland are very old news, no matter how frequent they were, even if a few recent outbreaks took place.

That cowardly mayor considers them nightly sports activities. Any similar 'events' which happen -- again -- in downtown Seattle, Also shouldn't be a surprise.

They should have no rational connection to ammo prices in 99.8% of the country.
The rest of the country .... Outside the largest urban areas.... can manage, no matter what the anarchist mayors want for those two cities, and (possibly) in downtown Minneapolis plus NYC, Chicago.
 
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I have been seeing 9mm for $.36/rd and .223 for $.50/rd. I won't be shooting like I used to at these prices, but fortunately it's still within my abilities to shoot semi regularly, just have to adjust is all. When I could get 1K rounds for under $200 I didn't really think much about shooting 400-500 rounds in a single session. Right now? I can't blow through and replace cases on a monthly basis but I can still practice enough to be semi proficient.

When 9mm and .223 ammo is $1/rd, I can't afford to shoot or buy it. That's why I tend to sit on larger quantities during these times and don't buy it until it's reasonable again.
 
caribou said:
Soon.
If it wasnt for a case of 12 gauge and a case of .22lr Id be shooting the Fusil or the Musket alot more, as I have plenty of Black Powder and lead.

For big game , I have a dozen box's of .308 to see me through the summer.

With Quid Pro Joe at the wheel, I dont think America's gonna slack on buying ammo anytime soon.

Few things make a citizen more safe than a nice ammo stash.
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They're like the monkey in the cage, rattling the bars to get attention.
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I'm set on ammo for the most part. Prices have been falling and will probably get better after the summer. The cowardly thugs behind the coup attempt/rowdy tourism of Jan 6th have more treachery planned for August when their final fantasy is slated to occur (according DHS) so there will maybe be a bump in prices then. But as Covid-19 recedes into the rear view mirror and supply starts to catch up with demand I expect things to improve quite a bit. Considering that gas cost $.80/gal when I was in HS and it's $2.80 now we may well not see the low prices of the past again but that's kind of how capitalism works. Just as a two bedroom ranch won't be $20,000 again we probably won't have $.15/round 9mm again. With luck my shoulder will be healed enough to shoot about the time ammo prices start to level out. We'll see!
 
7.62x39mm Ammo | Bulk 7.62x39mm Ammunition - AmmoSeek.com 2021

$320/1,000 >> includes shipping <<, at "Ammoman", but that vendor doesn't seem to be on the list.

9mm, .223 and other chamberings can be selected for results.

Does 52.3 cents/ round for "5.56x45 NATO" indicate any price reduction versus prices in Feb-Mar? Simply curious. Whether this is standard commercial, or possibly "remanufactured", no idea. I don't use this chambering.
 
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Ignition Override said:
Does 52.3 cents/ round for "5.56x45 NATO" indicate any price reduction versus prices in Feb-Mar? Simply curious
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That's a bit cheaper, seems like it was $.80/round back then. I kind of lucked out, Midway does birthday pricing if you have an account. So the week before and after my birthday in May the IMI green tip was $.40/round for me! I bought 300 round of 62gr Green tip and 100 round of IMI 77gr OTM for $.80/round. That has my stash up to a pretty good level, especially since I can't shoot much til my shoulder is rehabbed a bit more.
 
IMAhobbyist said:
Reading bersaguy's prognostic forecast is encouraging yet I'm reminded of having once been told "For most life rarely goes according to plan, all others just get lucky." It'll be some time before I'm willing to spend significantly more total than I was paying pre-pandemic. Suspect the remainder of my life will be reloads just to avoid that..
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I actually think @bersaguy is on with the timeframe of the price and availability changes, but off with what the actual prices will be. I expect them to be 20 to 25 percent higher than what he's thinking, so about $50 for 1000 primers and $20 for 9mm.

My solution going forward is to get into air rifles and shoot percussion revolvers, which is basically what European shooters do because of restrictive gun laws. I figure other than .22 the days of blasting away 200 rds of ammo in 30 minutes are over. I'll buy the 200 rds, but half of it will be for shooting, the other half for storing.

This is really a 9mm phenomenon, I reload for everything else but 9mm.
 
DoubleMag said:
IMHO one of the ''top three'' if not ''top two'' reasons for AMMO SHORTAGES isn't even discussed yet here within this thread... previous RIOTING, NATION WIDE. Causing new gun purchases, and massive ammo sales

We have the forces that fermented last summers 2020 RIOTS with many for instances of BODILY HARM and HEAVY PROPERTY DAMAGE, those forces / actors are still in place.
Summer 2021 is JUST STARTING, and, next summer leads up to AN ELECTION. Riots late spring 2021 have ALREADY happened, Portland, etc.


Ppl don't want to be told BAD NEWS, just want to be told its OVER
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Unless war with a major world power breaks out or food shortages/price spikes happen of these cyberattacks continue and the internet or electrical grid goes down for weeks at a time, I don't see more riots coming. The riots were a result of the prisons being emptied due to the virus and younger people being locked up in their homes for 2 months when previously they were out having fun at clubs, bars, sports games, etc. and having casual sex. Seeing what appeared to be a murder by police in broad daylight during an election year with Trump as president was a recipe for riots.

I just don't see said riots happening on that scale again in 2021.

As for the gun/ammo shortages, all it'll take to throw a wrench into the prices coming down plan is a mass shooting with 20+ dead, which is an inevitability, it's just a question of whether it will be this year or next year.

We will not get anywhere back to normal until 2023. That's what the industry has said and I think that's reality because this situation with ammo shortages and extraordinary price spikes is all driven by fear and panic. While the pandemic and riots have more or less disappeared, the fear of government action is still there.
 
e rex said:
Maybe Never.
I reload now and cant get components so I cleaned the weapons and put them away. Been so long since I shot I've gotten out of the habit and don't really care anymore.
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Sadly I can't help but admit I'm in the same boat. Price and lack of availability have turned me off from shooting. Even if I had the things I want to shoot, I don't have the interest now. There are multiple reasons for this, most of it is personal things I don't care to discuss, but the first hurdle to overcome my current malaise to getting back into shooting is getting the stuff cheaper and easier and that's not happening for at least another year or two.

Maybe things will change in two years, but IDK how much my interest level is going to be in shooting at that time. I would like to get a specific air rifle, but it's not available in the US currently. I would like to start making my own percussion caps, but I can't buy the percussion guns I'd like to shoot.

I've reached a point that I've reverted back to playing video games for entertainment. I've had periods over the past few years where I'll go months without playing them, then start up again, but this time I think I'll be playing them a lot more over the next couple years. That and streaming movies and tv shows that I haven't seen in a very long time or never has really been keeping me entertained.
 
I'll be "all in" buying ammo/components somewhere around 2030 or 2031. Until then I'll be partially in when deals can be had.

TTv2 said:
We will not get anywhere back to normal until 2023.
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The new normal, going back to the early 2000's anyway, is political violence the year before an election which fuels the ammo demand. This is unlikely to change before the next presidential election.
 
I stopped buying in bulk, but never stopped buying a few boxes every now and the. However locally I have a great source for high end match .22s, so I've been beating up their stock a lot more than centerfires.
 
Bad as I hate to admit it, I've bought primers locally for $20/100. Had to have them, or so I thought. Bought 200 SPP's at the LGS Saturday for $14/100 and was happy to see the price coming down. Bought some CCI Mini-Mags for $13/100 (limit 2) and was darn proud to even see them let alone fuss at the price. But, $13/100 on the CCI's isn't too far off what I'd been paying pre-panic; locally was giving about $10/100. If I could catch them at Wal-Mart then they were about $7.

But, there may be a bit of hope yet.

I browse the 'net daily looking for ammo deals; prices really are coming back down, albeit slowly. Availability is coming back up. For instance: SGAmmo had about 6 different calibers in stock in May; he's got a couple dozen now. Including things like .243 and 30-30, two of the hardest calibers to find not long ago. And the prices are what I consider reasonable; $30 to $35/box plus shipping. I scored some Federal $243 ammo last week from BP for $25/ box and was darn proud to get it. Even got free shipping! Probably an exception, but I'm hopeful nonetheless. The only thing I can't find in the "reasonable" category is 12 gauge target loads; I'm not paying $100/case for them. There are about 3 cases under my bed right now that didn't cost over $60 shipped. I think I'll wait a while on them.

So I guess, to answer the original question, I'll buy what I need and not what I want, and only when I need it. I'm going to load for my rifles, whether primers are $4/100 or $24. I like to hunt and to shoot, and I call that the cost of doing business. To be sure, I've slowed down a lot; just the occasional 22 plinking session or trying out handloads, and even then not over 15 or 20 rounds. But I've not stopped shooting all together. I just don't over do it anymore.

Mac
 
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