10mm..: the new outdoorsman's choice.?

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I think no matter what is said or written this argument will always be in tact
My main point was SIMPLY 357mag ,41mag 44mag wheel guns are heavy bulky &6 or 7 rounds typically & to reach magnum velocity burn very slow huge flash & bang powders with horrible noise & typically not calm to shoot..
The 10mm is no question a trade off but BOTH of mine are mild to shoot compared to even the 357 mag with heavy loads with 296 or h110
When Harry & toothy clawed critters are in play we tend not to notice either but shooting them exactly where you need them to go & being able to access 18 more full house 10mm in seconds make it a spectacular trade off in my book.
I still have 44 & 357 (sold my 41 yrs ago)wheel guns & speed loaders for both but swapping them out is no longer a comparison
 
On a second note to anyone willing to check them out
Underwood Ammo has honed in some of the best factory ammo on the market specifically for 10mm I have no doubt their 357 & 44 mag stuff is just as spectacular or even their 9mm as well
I have been loading hodgdons long shot in the 10mm with spectacular results for 20 ish yrs.......hard to admit but their factory stuff rivals my own loads.
 
earlthegoat2 said:
I’m on the lookout for a 10mm primarily for its versatile roles as an EDC, general purpose handgun, and hunting pistol.
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I have a Gen 1 24 in 40 S&W that is fav to shoot and carry. It's huge but ported and the length & weight help me be ext accurate. ( I can hit a quarter 3 out of 5 times at 10 yards). But our Glock 20 is still very comfortable to shoot for both my wife and I (it's HER 10mm). Both are excellent weapons and if in the North woods I had the 10mm with 200gr. loads but never had to use it.
 
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10mms? Nah, got no use for them.
I was one of the instigators to get Dan Wesson to produce the Razorback 1911 in 10 mm.
I carried a 41 Magnum as a duty sidearm for 13 years. 10 mm is not equal to the 41, but it's a dang fine cartridge. Retired the 41 mag when I left LE.
Carried one or the other of these two on the ranch for over 20 years. I wouldn't go bear hunting with one, but they'll do for anything else.
 

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10mms? Nah, got no use for them.
I was one of the instigators to get Dan Wesson to produce the Razorback 1911 in 10 mm.
I carried a 41 Magnum as a duty sidearm for 13 years. 10 mm is not equal to the 41, but it's a dang fine cartridge. Retired the 41 mag when I left LE.
Carried one or the other of these two on the ranch for over 20 years. I wouldn't go bear hunting with one, but they'll do for anything else.
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I remember that from the 1911 Forum, Bob Serva handling the Razorback and Patriot models himself. Still very cool.
 
ECVMatt said:
I was going through some old pictures tonight and found one from a hunt in Texas. I have spent many days like this and the Glock 20 is just about perfect for this role. It is lightweight, pretty weatherproof, handy, powerful enough, and easy to carry extra ammo in loaded magazines. If I were to ever be able to go back to this ranch to work and just hang out ( I spent a few years here in my early 20's), I would probably carry the 20 most of the time.

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Obviously the 10mm took the head clean-off'n that pig.

I see we share an appreciation for Filson chaps.
 
Armored farmer said:
Obviously the 10mm took the head clean-off'n that pig.

I see we share an appreciation for Filson chaps.
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HA! Well in all this excitement I can't remember if I fired 14 rounds or 15, but this being the 10mm, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do you, pig? I think those were the first run of Double Tap ammo from back in the day. I am sure it was much more powerful than the stuff they load today.

All kidding aside we removed the head to save some weight on the mules. They were already carrying my corpulence all day and needed all the help they could get!

As for the Tin Cloth Chaps, they are the best. I switched to them when I left Texas and did not ride enough to balance the upkeep of leather chaps with the minimal amount of use they would get. I was a bit worried about the tin cloth when I first started using it, but after many years of use neither biar or barbed wire has poked or cut me. They don't dry out like leather and once you get them heated up a bit they are very pliable. It is important to store them indoors during the winter because they can be a pain to put on once frozen. If I forget to take them out of the truck for the night I usually put them on the hood once we arrive and unload the mules. By the time the mules are out, the chaps are ready for use! Keep them waxed and they are pretty waterproof as well. I am glad you find them equally useful.

Back to the OP, I don't think the 10mm is going disappear anytime soon and it looks like it is gaining in popularity. It does make a great choice for the outdoorsman.
 
ECVMatt said:
HA! Well in all this excitement I can't remember if I fired 14 rounds or 15, but this being the 10mm, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do you, pig? I think those were the first run of Double Tap ammo from back in the day. I am sure it was much more powerful than the stuff they load today.

All kidding aside we removed the head to save some weight on the mules. They were already carrying my corpulence all day and needed all the help they could get!

As for the Tin Cloth Chaps, they are the best. I switched to them when I left Texas and did not ride enough to balance the upkeep of leather chaps with the minimal amount of use they would get. I was a bit worried about the tin cloth when I first started using it, but after many years of use neither biar or barbed wire has poked or cut me. They don't dry out like leather and once you get them heated up a bit they are very pliable. It is important to store them indoors during the winter because they can be a pain to put on once frozen. If I forget to take them out of the truck for the night I usually put them on the hood once we arrive and unload the mules. By the time the mules are out, the chaps are ready for use! Keep them waxed and they are pretty waterproof as well. I am glad you find them equally useful.

Back to the OP, I don't think the 10mm is going disappear anytime soon and it looks like it is gaining in popularity. It does make a great choice for the outdoorsman.
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Yep.
I wore them quail hunting back in the day.
They would turn briars and thorns. They actually help keep you in warm if only because they kept you dry too. They work pretty good as rain gear.

I may get a tin cloth packer since my old faithful slicker bit the dust.
 
ECVMatt said:
HA! Well in all this excitement I can't remember if I fired 14 rounds or 15, but this being the 10mm, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do you, pig? I think those were the first run of Double Tap ammo from back in the day. I am sure it was much more powerful than the stuff they load today.

All kidding aside we removed the head to save some weight on the mules. They were already carrying my corpulence all day and needed all the help they could get!

As for the Tin Cloth Chaps, they are the best. I switched to them when I left Texas and did not ride enough to balance the upkeep of leather chaps with the minimal amount of use they would get. I was a bit worried about the tin cloth when I first started using it, but after many years of use neither biar or barbed wire has poked or cut me. They don't dry out like leather and once you get them heated up a bit they are very pliable. It is important to store them indoors during the winter because they can be a pain to put on once frozen. If I forget to take them out of the truck for the night I usually put them on the hood once we arrive and unload the mules. By the time the mules are out, the chaps are ready for use! Keep them waxed and they are pretty waterproof as well. I am glad you find them equally useful.

Back to the OP, I don't think the 10mm is going disappear anytime soon and it looks like it is gaining in popularity. It does make a great choice for the outdoorsman.
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I do custom leather and make everything from shot bags to chaps and horse tack. I haven't tried working with "Tin Cloth" but will tell you something I learned not to long ago, Chaps made from Moose hide are in HIGH demand. Little care is needed if good quality leather. I get a lot of orders for Moosehide leggings here in Florida as snakes can't bite through them and they are light and flexible , water does them no harm and they don't stiffen up while drying.
 
RETG said:
My .44 is loaded with 305 gr Cor-Bon hunter ammo. :D

As for concealable....where I carry a .44; no one worries about concealability, cause the browns are out and about in numbers. However, at all times for bears it is bear spray and usually just a .40 with 200 gr Buffalo Bore.
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I always carry my S&W M57 or S&W M29 both with 8 3/8" barrels in a Safariland Shoulder Holster, sometimes both, along with a Remington Hunter 1911 in 10mm caged in a Safariland Suede-Lined Hip Holster. All loaded with Keith designed bullets. Can only be surprised, maybe, by jacketed hollow points. Alaskan proven, always do the job!!
 
It always makes me wonder why SD' ERS are worried about one shot stops. It is simple, just aim about where a female's public mound is located, the bullet will shatter the pelvis ( hips ) , try walking or moving without legs????
 
CraigC said:
If you're primarily interested in handguns for defensive purposes, you're likely to choose a 10mm for the outdoors. You're also likely to never fire a shot outside the shooting range.

If you're primarily interested in handguns for other reasons such as hunting, you're likely to choose something else. You're also likely to shoot stuff with your revolvers all the time.

There's multiple reasons why I don't choose the 10mm as a primary sidearm in the wilderness. They have nothing to do with my age or level of Fuddery. I'm no stranger to "newfangled" semi-autos with high capacity magazines. However, unless you are going into battle, magazine capacity is a false god worshiped by too many. It's simply a non-issue 99.9999% of the time. Diehard 10mm fans will argue this but preference and need are rarely the same. Accuracy is another reason. Virtually any good revolver will be capable of 1" groups at 25yds. Service autos are usually going to be at least two if not three times that. Fine for something you're just going to carry but if you depend on your sidearm for camp meat or shooting at yonder rock 200yds away, it matters. The sights contribute to this as well. Service autos with coarse sights are not conducive to fine shooting when compared to the fine target sights of many revolvers. The trigger is another reason. Unless it's a 1911, a service auto's trigger is going to suck. Yes, I'm aware of 3.5lb Glock trigger connectors, I shot them for 15yrs. A Glock trigger will never hold a candle to the 2-3lb crisp single action trigger pull of a revolver. Weight. This is often touted as a feather in the polymer auto's hat but people seem to look at unloaded weights alone. Yes, an empty Glock is very light but as soon as you load the damned thing, you're equal to a 4" revolver or 5" 1911. Ironically enough, many of the same reasons why I do not choose a 10mm are the same reasons why I don't choose a .357Mag revolver either. A .44 or .45 with a 250gr cast bullet at 800-1000fps will handle 99.99% of what needs doing and do so without making your ears bleed. A serious limitation of semi-autos is their inability to handle reduced loads. The revolver does't care. At the upper end of terminal effectiveness, magazine capacity does not make up for the fact that the 10mm is at best a deer cartridge. The very best of 10mm loads are equivalent to the Keith .44Spl load, albeit with a smaller bullet with a disproportionately smaller meplat. Having 16rds does not make up for a lack of bullet mass and you can't miss fast enough to win a bear fight. When it comes to large, scary beasts, there's no replacement for displacement and appropriate cartridges for such tasks BEGIN with the .44Mag.
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Aaaaaah, experience talking wins every time, and you sir are batting 1000 %!!!!
 
Jackalope 1 said:
It always makes me wonder why SD' ERS are worried about one shot stops. It is simple, just aim about where a female's public mound is located, the bullet will shatter the pelvis ( hips ) , try walking or moving without legs????
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I have taken some defensive pistol classes. It seems (to me) that the 9mm guys practice double-taps and fight stoppers like hip shots. Our instructor wanted us to use hip shots because of the possibility that the target was wearing body armor. Like you, he says that the pelvis is a fight stopper.
 
I started this thread, so I want to take the liberty of drifting a little bit.
My question to the 10mm guys is ...
What does the 10mm offer that a 185gr +P .45acp lacks?

I am doing a bit of thinking about a defensive sidearm for an Alaska fishing trip that may happen sooner than I thought. A good friend dropped by my place yesterday evening. He was wanting to go up there for the salmon run in August.
 
Armored farmer said:
I started this thread, so I want to take the liberty of drifting a little bit.
My question to the 10mm guys is ...
What does the 10mm offer that a 185gr +P .45acp lacks?

I am doing a bit of thinking about a defensive sidearm for an Alaska fishing trip that may happen sooner than I thought. A good friend dropped by my place yesterday evening. He was wanting to go up there for the salmon run in August.
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Just looking at the numbers:

45 ACP loaded to +P pressures with a 185 gr bullet is going to be pushing 1150-1200 fps from a 5-inch gun. 543-591 ft-lbs of energy **

10mm Auto with a 180 gr bullet is going to be pushing 1300-1350 from a similar barrel length. 675-728 ft-lbs of energy**

**Based on data from Buffalo Bore and Double Tap ammo

With JHP (ie expending bullets) I think the terminal difference will be smaller but 10mm Auto is going to out penetrate the 45 ACP in most cases at least by a little. If you switch to hard-cast, the higher kinetic energy and better SD of 10mm Auto will result in noticeable better pentation.

In similar full size handguns with flush magazines the 10mm is going to get you 1 or 2 more rounds of capacity for the same magazine length.

Mall Ninjas will have greater respect for you if you carry the 10mm over the 45 ACP. :rofl:
 
mcb said:
Just looking at the numbers:

45 ACP loaded to +P pressures with a 185 gr bullet is going to be pushing 1150-1200 fps from a 5-inch gun. 543-591 ft-lbs of energy **

10mm Auto with a 180 gr bullet is going to be pushing 1300-1350 from a similar barrel length. 675-728 ft-lbs of energy**

**Based on data from Buffalo Bore and Double Tap ammo

With JHP (ie expending bullets) I think the terminal difference will be smaller but 10mm Auto is going to out penetrate the 45 ACP in most cases at least by a little. If you switch to hard-cast, the higher kinetic energy and better SD of 10mm Auto will result in noticeable better pentation.

In similar full size handguns with flush magazines the 10mm is going to get you 1 or 2 more rounds of capacity for the same magazine length.

Mall Ninjas will have greater respect for you if you carry the 10mm over the 45 ACP. :rofl:
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There is not a single thing wrong with the 45ACP round.
Where the 10mm shines is range of effectiveness.
I been told the 45ACP is a 50yd. gun.
Then my guess is the 10mm is maybe a 100yd. Gun? Dunno. But I like both.

This brings up another thought.
The 45ACP at one time was thought to be to powerful for most people, that doesn't seem to be the case anymore does it?
 
I don't really pay much attention to ballistics tables, but I do kill pigs with Underwood 220 gr FN hard cast in my G-20. It works very well. We mall ninjas like to shoot and not read I guess. :D

TECHNICAL INFORMATION
  • SKU : 242
  • Cartridge : 10mm Auto
  • Bullet Brand : Underwood Ammo™
  • Bullet Weight (gr) : 220
  • Bullet Construction : Hi-Tek Coated Hard Cast
  • Bullet Model : Flat Nose
  • Bullet Material : Lead
  • Brinell Hardness : 21
  • Case Type : Nickel Plated Brass
  • Supressor Safe : Yes

  • BALLISTICS INFORMATION
  • Muzzle Energy (ft. lbs) : 704
  • Muzzle Velocity (fps) : 1,200
  • Sectional Density : 0.200
 
mcb said:
45 ACP loaded to +P pressures with a 185 gr bullet is going to be pushing 1150-1200 fps from a 5-inch gun. 543-591 ft-lbs of energy
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Not interested, the 45ACP is my favorite home defense round, reason being a 230gr. bullet at 850fps. is a damn good manstopper that won't blow out my eardrums or blind me with muzzle flash. Love the .40Super (10mm for you sillymeter guys) great gun for the woods but I certainly wouldn't want to shoot one inside my home.:p
 
@Armored farmer congratulations on the fishing trip. If I understand, your wondering what to use on the trip for defense and are considering a 10mm, but the trip may happen before you buy the handgun.

Added a couple of Underwood loads below of handguns that I believe that you have. The 45 Colt is +p and I don't remember if you have a Ruger?


  • SKU : 720
  • Cartridge : .357 Mag
  • Bullet Brand : Underwood Ammo™
  • Bullet Weight (gr) : 180
  • Bullet Construction : Hi-Tek Coated Hard Cast
  • Bullet Model : Flat Nose Gas Check
  • Bullet Material : Lead
  • Brinell Hardness : 21
  • Case Type : Nickel Plated Brass
  • Supressor Safe : Yes

  • BALLISTICS INFORMATION
  • Muzzle Energy (ft. lbs) : 784
  • Muzzle Velocity (fps) : 1,400
  • Sectional Density : 0.200

  • SKU : 724
  • Cartridge : .45 Colt (Long Colt) +P
  • Bullet Brand : Underwood Ammo™
  • Bullet Weight (gr) : 325
  • Bullet Construction : Hi-Tek Coated Hard Cast
  • Bullet Model : Long Flat Nose Gas Check
  • Bullet Material : Lead
  • Brinell Hardness : 21
  • Case Type : Brass
  • Supressor Safe : Yes

  • BALLISTICS INFORMATION
  • Muzzle Energy (ft. lbs) : 1,267
  • Muzzle Velocity (fps) : 1,325
  • Sectional Density : 0.230
I like a handgun that you are comfortable with like your 66 and a short barrel 12 gauge with slugs slung on your back.

Have a great trip!!!
 
I dont think we will try to go yet this summer, but only because I am pretty involved here with work. My buddy is ready to go.

If I were to go this summer it would probably be my s&w66 that goes along, but I do have a 7.5" blackhawk in. 45colt.
 
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