If I worked at Walmart, a convenience store, or delivered pizza, I’d carry. You can always get another crappy job. It’s when you’re risking a career that you’ve got to weigh the risks. Like the poster above, faced with a real threat, I’d say he made the right choice.
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Kinda like...
Person A: Lives in California. Works as a software developer earning six figures annually, children get sent through Stanford and Cal Tech along similar vocations. Numerous firearm configuration and magazine capacity restrictions.
Person B: Lives in a trailer park, spends stimulus money on new guns, but lives in a "free" state. Tells Person A to "leave California" on account of the above, on some online Forum...
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Kinda like...
Person A: Lives in California. Works as a software developer earning six figures annually, children get sent through Stanford and Cal Tech along similar vocations. Numerous firearm configuration and magazine capacity restrictions.
Person B: Lives in a trailer park, spends stimulus money on new guns, but lives in a "free" state. Tells Person A to "leave California" on account of the above, on some online Forum...
I suppose. Do you think I live in a trailer park?
Some people work customer service jobs, where they deal with angry and irate customers regularly, and also deal with thieves (many of whom are addicts).
Some people are journeymen in the trades, and work job sites along side drug addicts and former violent offenders.
But sure, your two examples are perfectly fine.
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Whats more important, your job, or your life and safety?
Is this really a question you have to debate?
Is this really a question you have to debate?
He stated he was walked out by security. That tells me the company was taking precautions to keep their employees safe.
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No such assumptions...
Just trying to make an example involving really lousy priorities
I do not break rules but I will not work anywhere that requires me to be a sitting duck. This duck will defend himself or fly away.
ps I grew up poor, in a trailer park in Texas. Never saw crap and needles on the street like the big cities that have good tech jobs.
ps I grew up poor, in a trailer park in Texas. Never saw crap and needles on the street like the big cities that have good tech jobs.
I would rather work in a factory and operate a small farm to support my family in a free state than be a millionaire in a restrictive one.No such assumptions...
Just trying to make an example involving really lousy priorities
I do get your point. But most of us probably don't live in a trailer park.
And a lot of us make enough to not get "stimulus money".
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Choices, choices
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I wasn't referring to the case in the article specifically. It was far more general than that. But I was assuming that the thread was not limited to the discussion of that one instance.
I got you.
I agree with your line of thinking. I wasn't sure if you had caught that in the video.
My thoughts are: If you have an armed security force. Then the need for personal carry is much lower. I also get the instances where an armed guard fails to do his or her job.
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Very few jobs I worked allowed guns, and in only one place I was able to talk to a fellow "gun guy", I tend to keep that to myself as much as possible.
My boss and I did, one one occasion, flout the companies No Guns rule when we had to fire a guy who did talk about his guns a lot, and seemed a bit unstable.
We transferred our CCW from the car to the belt that day, but the firing went off very well, the guy didn't really like the job anyway, win win.
But as a rule, if I need the job, I don't want to get fired, so I follow the rules.
Or who might want a gun, and now know a good place to look.
My boss and I did, one one occasion, flout the companies No Guns rule when we had to fire a guy who did talk about his guns a lot, and seemed a bit unstable.
We transferred our CCW from the car to the belt that day, but the firing went off very well, the guy didn't really like the job anyway, win win.
But as a rule, if I need the job, I don't want to get fired, so I follow the rules.
Or who might want a gun, and now know a good place to look.
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Obviously it is or we wouldn't have these threads about every 6 months with the same comments
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The way I see it it's best to follow the rules. I feel im making a deal with my employer, I do what they want and they pay me. I don't decide to not do my job in other areas, part of my job is being armed if required or un armed as required. I'm my employer's proxy and agent. I wouldn't do the job if I wasn't comfortable.
And any building secure enough to make me is secure enough I feel fine. I only need my gun because of poor security...
And any building secure enough to make me is secure enough I feel fine. I only need my gun because of poor security...
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Its sad when you have to guard what you say. Its sad to be afraid to talk about your hobby or what you have at home. But you can just bet that someone on "the other side" is watching or listening.
But its up to the individual to carry and violate your companies rules or not to carry. And if you break the rules you need to be aware of the continuances.
My company had a rule against firearms on company property but just about everyone had a shotgun or deer rifle in their personal truck, on the company parking lot. In our small rural town that was considered normal. But its not that way everywhere.
I was a Serviceman, think troubleshooter, and I got a lot of nighttime and weekend calls. I carried when I was out at night. There was a gang around here for a while that would pull someones meter or turn off the outside breakers and then mug or rob them when they went to check on the problem. I carried............ No one knew, no one saw and I didn't advertise it.
But its up to the individual to carry and violate your companies rules or not to carry. And if you break the rules you need to be aware of the continuances.
My company had a rule against firearms on company property but just about everyone had a shotgun or deer rifle in their personal truck, on the company parking lot. In our small rural town that was considered normal. But its not that way everywhere.
I was a Serviceman, think troubleshooter, and I got a lot of nighttime and weekend calls. I carried when I was out at night. There was a gang around here for a while that would pull someones meter or turn off the outside breakers and then mug or rob them when they went to check on the problem. I carried............ No one knew, no one saw and I didn't advertise it.
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This point is worth discussing. But I'm not picking on you.
Do many people really have a choice? If you work in Walmart, you might be able to go get a job at Target or with some other grocery store chain, but all of them present the same risk. The chances of your particular Walmart getting shot up are low, but it happened in El Paso, right? The chances of your particular King Soopers getting shot up is also low, but it happened in Boulder, right? Don't we say "it's not the odds, it's the stakes"?
Don't work in a grocery store if you're worried about being shot by a loonie whilst earning your wage. But then where does one go to get employment? Some people have limited options, but I don't think they have any less right to be safe and secure at work than anyone with more valuable skills.
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Thats a tough one, but as an employer I would fire anyone who broke my rules too so its tough. Our rights end where others rights begin.
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Thats actually a pretty sorry thing, and just shows how deep the programming has gone.
There are jobs that are very constrained in opportunities and locales. That was part of the video poster's position. In my old line of work, if fired, that would be it. Not a chance of a matching position. It is all part of the risk evaluation. 5 is enough to get you fired and your life ruined.
Of course we run though the same things. I read that there is usually a 3 year cycle in magazine content (if you still read magazines). That is the time for old subscribers to move on and new ones to move in. Staff discussed shutting down the repeats but decided against it unless there is one running.
Of course we run though the same things. I read that there is usually a 3 year cycle in magazine content (if you still read magazines). That is the time for old subscribers to move on and new ones to move in. Staff discussed shutting down the repeats but decided against it unless there is one running.
Take a look (if you dare) this guys other you tube videos. When did he say he got fired?? Maybe Management go a look at his stuff, just like they do with FaceBook stuff??
https://www.youtube.com/c/TheSuitedShootist/videos
https://www.youtube.com/c/TheSuitedShootist/about
https://www.youtube.com/c/TheSuitedShootist/videos
https://www.youtube.com/c/TheSuitedShootist/about
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I hear what you're saying. And though I'd say the Right to self defense is an inalienable one, perhaps the Right to the Means is not so inalienable?
As an employer, would you prohibit your employees from carrying a firearm for self defense (assuming they are legally able to do so), but still carry one yourself in the workplace?
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A lot would depend on the type of business - if it was a gun store, sure; if it was a children's clothing store, most likely not
Ok so this guy points out something i want to talk about. It took a year for him to find a job, in the middle of a pandemic where anyone with a pulse that wants to work can get a job he take 1 year. I think instead of worrying about carrying a gun to work he needs to worry about getting a skill set that can actual be used anywhere he goes.
I reject these arguments.
Our government already limits what employers and property owners can and cannot do. Examples include
- handicap access
- GDPR-type controls how companies can use your data and what they have to do to protect your privacy
- discrimination based on a long list of things
- apartment buildings and HOAs aren't allowed to prohibit satellite dishes
- EPA regulations
- OSHA regulations
- FAA regulations
- FCC regulations
etc etc etc
No one says, "Oh Spirit Airlines doesn't do maintenance on their planes. It's their property, so don't fly on them if you don't like it."
Nor would we say, "If company x wants to buy land and dump their waste on it, they can. it's their land; they can do what they want."
Why would we accept a business restricting such a fundamental right as the right to self defense?
Some states have added protections, such as making a law to allow employees to keep their guns in their cars in company parking lots that are otherwise posted prohibiting guns
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