What new rifle do I want?

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I started to name this thread "Do I need a new rifle?" but I know what a horrible bunch of enablers we are, so I know the answer is yes. I've often said that I'm a plinker at heart, and I do love raining death on soup cans. However, for about 35 years, my 10/22 was the only .22 rifle I had. (Didn't see the need for another.) Then I bought my Ruger American Rimfire (and then another . . . . ) and I've been really enjoying shooting them from a bench. Trying to put holes in the holes in my target has been very relaxing.

With that said, I've very rarely shot my .22s at targets over 100 yards away, but I'd kind of like to stretch it out a bit. The local range only goes out to 200. To get out beyond that, I'd have to either: (a) join a private range that is at least 30 minutes way and might have a 300 yard range; or (b) join a different private range that is about an hour away, but has a 700 yard range. I'm thinking that until I get a handle on 200 yards, I don't really have much business buying a membership and setting up a 700-yard rifle.

So here's what I'm thinking: 5.56 bolt action, preferably one that takes AR mags. I've never been a big-time rifle shooter, so I'll explain my reasoning, and y'all correct me if I'm wrong, OK?
-->Caliber: 5.56 -- Flexibility. It's always been my understanding that it was safe to shoot .223 in a 5.56 rifle, but not the other way around. At least not long-term. I realize that there may be better cartridges for this project, but I do already have a small supply of .223 set aside, and I'm trying not to get into new chamberings right now. Well, let me also add that my small supply came from a guy that didn't much care whether all of the rounds stored in one can were all the same cartridge. I wouldn't be very surprised to find some 5.56 in there, and I don't really feel like examining each and every headstamp to make sure there isn't.

--> AR Mags --> This one isn't a deal breaker, but I like the idea of using AR style mags. There are about 19 bazillion AR magazines out there. A search for "AR15 magazine" brings up 83 pages of them on gunbroker. So while I'm sure prices are high right now, I could get them, and my options would be much wider than with a gun that uses a proprietary magazine. Since this is intended to be a bench rest gun, I'd be fine with 5 or 10-rounders, and those may even turn out to be preferable.

--> Threaded barrel --> Also not a deal breaker. I don't have a suppressor lined up for this yet, but I know me, and I'll want one sooner or later. I might as well get a threaded barrel on the front end, right?

So what have I found with these criteria? Two guns. A Ruger and a Mossberg. I've had a bunch of Rugers over the years, and I like them. I can't remember ever owning a Mossberg, but I've never had a problem with the ones I've shot.
Ruger American Ranch Rifle: https://www.ruger.com/products/americanRifleRanch/specSheets/26965.html
Mossberg MVP Patrol Rifle: https://www.mossberg.com/product/mvp-patrol-rifle-27716/

I'm not likely to make a purchase in the near future, and I know I'll need to budget for the rifle and scope, maybe a bipod. My questions are these:
What am I missing?
Input on those two rifles?
Are there any other rifles that need to be on The Long List?
Should I just go ahead and open it up to .223 to expand my list of contenders?

Thanks.
 
I started to name this thread "Do I need a new rifle?" but I know what a horrible bunch of enablers we are, so I know the answer is yes. I've often said that I'm a plinker at heart, and I do love raining death on soup cans. However, for about 35 years, my 10/22 was the only .22 rifle I had. (Didn't see the need for another.) Then I bought my Ruger American Rimfire (and then another . . . . ) and I've been really enjoying shooting them from a bench. Trying to put holes in the holes in my target has been very relaxing.

With that said, I've very rarely shot my .22s at targets over 100 yards away, but I'd kind of like to stretch it out a bit. The local range only goes out to 200. To get out beyond that, I'd have to either: (a) join a private range that is at least 30 minutes way and might have a 300 yard range; or (b) join a different private range that is about an hour away, but has a 700 yard range. I'm thinking that until I get a handle on 200 yards, I don't really have much business buying a membership and setting up a 700-yard rifle.

So here's what I'm thinking: 5.56 bolt action, preferably one that takes AR mags. I've never been a big-time rifle shooter, so I'll explain my reasoning, and y'all correct me if I'm wrong, OK?
-->Caliber: 5.56 -- Flexibility. It's always been my understanding that it was safe to shoot .223 in a 5.56 rifle, but not the other way around. At least not long-term. I realize that there may be better cartridges for this project, but I do already have a small supply of .223 set aside, and I'm trying not to get into new chamberings right now. Well, let me also add that my small supply came from a guy that didn't much care whether all of the rounds stored in one can were all the same cartridge. I wouldn't be very surprised to find some 5.56 in there, and I don't really feel like examining each and every headstamp to make sure there isn't.

--> AR Mags --> This one isn't a deal breaker, but I like the idea of using AR style mags. There are about 19 bazillion AR magazines out there. A search for "AR15 magazine" brings up 83 pages of them on gunbroker. So while I'm sure prices are high right now, I could get them, and my options would be much wider than with a gun that uses a proprietary magazine. Since this is intended to be a bench rest gun, I'd be fine with 5 or 10-rounders, and those may even turn out to be preferable.

--> Threaded barrel --> Also not a deal breaker. I don't have a suppressor lined up for this yet, but I know me, and I'll want one sooner or later. I might as well get a threaded barrel on the front end, right?

So what have I found with these criteria? Two guns. A Ruger and a Mossberg. I've had a bunch of Rugers over the years, and I like them. I can't remember ever owning a Mossberg, but I've never had a problem with the ones I've shot.
Ruger American Ranch Rifle: https://www.ruger.com/products/americanRifleRanch/specSheets/26965.html
Mossberg MVP Patrol Rifle: https://www.mossberg.com/product/mvp-patrol-rifle-27716/

I'm not likely to make a purchase in the near future, and I know I'll need to budget for the rifle and scope, maybe a bipod. My questions are these:
What am I missing?
Input on those two rifles?
Are there any other rifles that need to be on The Long List?
Should I just go ahead and open it up to .223 to expand my list of contenders?

Thanks.




Savage model 12 VLP .223 that’s my thoughts on the matter you want accuracy this has it in spades it’s what I bought and what a lot of folks recommended I think @Varminterror has something similar along with @Nature Boy i always say unless it’s an ar and even then imho the .223 Rem is far superior to 5.56 in terms of accuracy for me ymmv as always but that’s the rifle I recommend every time this comes up for anyone who asks :D
 
A 223 Rem rifle for 200yrds then 700 yards? Savage 12 BVSS. $75 to have the muzzle threaded, and it’s a blind mag rather than AR mags, but they shoot itty bitty groups. The Savage 12 VLP-DBM has detachable mags, with the same barreled action, in a more streamlined stock.

Between the Ruger American and the Mossberg, get the Ruger, 100%.
 
I really like my mossberg MVP LC in 308, I bet it'd be good in 556 as well. I prefer the LC stock to the Patrol by far.

I don't have an American but I do hear very good things.
 
I have a mossberg mvp that I really like. It is reliable, accurate, fun to shoot and take AR pattern mags. The price is really reasonable. What is not to like. I would look for a gun the will shoot 5.56/.223. It is more versatile.
 
We shot 200 yard Rim Fire Bench Rest at Williamsport and 1,000 yard centerfire. For an out of the box rifle, I would also say a Savage, but I am a single shot fan when shooting long range, no magazine screwing up my reloads. The BR or F-Class Savage in 308 or 6mmBR Norma would be my choice in a factory rifle.
 
Spats,

You might not need another rifle. I believe Harry Pope shot 22 LR out to 220 yards.

Kevin
My wife shoots clay pigeons at 200 using my Vudoo and Automatch but she is very good at reading the wind.

A few weeks ago we were shooting 4MOA steel targets at 330 with my Bergara and Automatch.

Automatch isn't that great of ammo but it shoots good enough for those sized targets, and the really good stuff is hard to find right now.
 
Also take a look at CZ,
@Spats McGee
Ditto above.
Ruger makes a nice rifle compatible with A mags, in case brand loyalty matters.
Now, there's always the option to build a "straight-pull" AR, too.

Moving away from AR mags, Savage has a number of options--I used to have a very nice Savage 110T, their bull barreled "tactical" model--not at all lightweight (around 12-14# with scope, bipod, & ammo), but was close to boring for how well it would group.

For a slightly different tack, with a little searching you can wiggle out one of the old ROTC trainers--the Mossberg M44 or the Remington 55-both are magazine-fed bolt actions capable for getting out to distance, if a person is willing to commit to what the iron sights require (I've had my M44 out to 300 & 400 yards, which was pushing the irons).
 
A 223 Rem rifle for 200yrds then 700 yards? Savage 12 BVSS. $75 to have the muzzle threaded, and it’s a blind mag rather than AR mags, but they shoot itty bitty groups. The Savage 12 VLP-DBM has detachable mags, with the same barreled action, in a more streamlined stock.

Between the Ruger American and the Mossberg, get the Ruger, 100%.
+1

I might actually put the new "Hunter" version of the American ahead of the Savage, but just because I like the Magpul stock a little better than the BVSS stock....
 
200 yards with a 22LR is a great time. Better ammo shrinks the target considerably, but even cheap stuff is manageable on 2-3moa steel at 200yrds. My son (7yrs old) and I shoot 22’s, especially Ruger Chargers lately, out to 300, occasionally 400 and 500yrds when the wind is low.

This is a 300yrd target my son fired last year on a particularly windy day, illustrated by his hair blowing in the wind , using his little Savage Mark II FSS and a Bushnell Trophy 3-9x (hair under $400 total in the picture), not ideal, but he had no trouble holding on the ~4moa 66% IPSC with junk Winchester Wildcat ammo.

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Spats McGee

1) RAR 5.56 (10 rds.) or 7.62x39 (5 rds., 10 rds., or 20 rds.) (threaded barrels)
2) CZ 527 American .223 (5 rds.) or 7.62x39 (5 rds.)
3) CZ 527 American Synthetic Suppressor-Ready .223 (5 rds.) or 7.62x39 (5 rds.)
4) CZ 527 Carbine .223 (5 rds.) or 7.62x39 (5 rds.)
5) Mossberg MVP Patrol 5.56 (10 rds. also takes AR magazines) (threaded barrel)
 
What's the shortest length AR mag available?

I've seen some 5 round AR mags but some look about as long as the 10 rounders.

Depending on the set up while bench rested, a long mag could get in the way.

ETA: My vote would be the Ruger.
 
What's the shortest length AR mag available?

I've seen some 5 round AR mags but some look about as long as the 10 rounders.

Depending on the set up while bench rested, a long mag could get in the way.

ETA: My vote would be the Ruger.
5 round AR mags are the same length as 10s, they just have blockers.....or coiled up springs.

The AR has a long magwell so that limits how short an AR mag can be.
 
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